Friedman: Gaudreau not expected to comment on contract status

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

No it doesn't. There are other comparable players to Johnny's stats that have signed deals recently for less. Kaprizov had the Wild by the balls because of the KHL threat, totally different situations.

Who?

Panarin is the closest comparison from a free agent perspective and he's paid...$11.64M?

Kucherov signed $9.5M, but that included one RFA year.

Mark Stone at $9.5M is in there as well.

These players also signed in New York City, Vegas, and Tampa Bay. All much bigger draws than Calgary.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Dajazz

Came for level headed reactions and nuanced opinions.

Left disappointed.

New to the internet, huh?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Dajazz

Came for level headed reactions and nuanced opinions.

Left disappointed.

So tired of drive by comments like this. Can you explain what a level headed reaction would be to this situation? The player could re-sign, be traded, or leave in free agency. That is the situation right now which is exactly what has been discussed.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Depends on his 5 team Can Trade List. If he and his agent are smart, they put 5 teams on the list who would have no interest in giving up assets for a 1 year rental.

Which effectively gives him a full NTC...

How on earth do you figure that this would be a "smart" approach? It is smart only if Gaudreau's top priority is to re-sign in Calgary, thus putting exceptional pressure on the team to extend him at the number he has chosen and even then it is risky. But, if Gaudreu has already settled on exploring free agency then it is absolutely within his best interest to accommodate the team in their efforts to move him. If he effectively blocks this option, then he hurts himself while punishing the team in the process; he could end up going nowhere, finishing out his season projecting the perception of a jaded and selfish player, playing out the string on a meaningless season and devaluing his next contract in the process.

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[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Who?

Panarin is the closest comparison from a free agent perspective and he's paid...$11.64M?

Kucherov signed $9.5M, but that included one RFA year.

Mark Stone at $9.5M is in there as well.

These players also signed in New York City, Vegas, and Tampa Bay. All much bigger draws than Calgary.

Hall just signed for $6M a year in Boston, Landeskog got $7M from the Avs. The players you just mentioned are a tier above Gaudreau, not a realistic comparison. I wish Gaudreau was as good as Panarin.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Kaprizov had the Wild by the balls because of the KHL threat, totally different situations.

And Johnny has the Flames by the balls. Give me what I want of I walk away for NOTHING in free agency. And yes, he has that control. He has the five team list he can use to make himself untradeable. Treliving has painted himself into the corner and Gaudreau's camp knows it. Previous contracts may be used as a comparison, but Kaprizov's is a reset of the market. Treliving should have pushed to get this done before the NTC kicked in, or traded him before it kicked in. Gaudreau's camp has all the control in this negotiation now.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Hall just signed for $6M a year in Boston, Landeskog got $7M from the Avs. The players you just mentioned are a tier above Gaudreau, not a realistic comparison. I wish Gaudreau was as good as Panarin.

I firmly believe you are incorrectly evaluating Johnny Gaudreau.

He is elite, and he is in the same tier as Panarin.

Since Johnny entered the league in 2014/2015, here are the players with better P/GP than Johnny Gaudreau:

1. Connor McDavid
2. Patrick Kane
3. Nikita Kucherov
4. Sidney Crosby
5. Evgeni Malkin
6. Artemi Panarin
7. Leon Draisaitl
8. Auston Matthews
9. Brad Marchand
10. Steven Stamkos
11. Nathan MacKinnon
12. Alex Ovechkin
13. David Pastrnak
14. John Tavares
15. Blake Wheeler
16. Johnny Gaudreau

[Knightslayer]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Who?

Panarin is the closest comparison from a free agent perspective and he's paid...$11.64M?

Kucherov signed $9.5M, but that included one RFA year.

Mark Stone at $9.5M is in there as well.

These players also signed in New York City, Vegas, and Tampa Bay. All much bigger draws than Calgary.

Yeah sorry those aren't Gaudreau's comparables.

Take a look at Taylor Hall if you wanna be honest with yourself. That right there is the closest comparable.

Were teams knocking each other over to sign Hall?

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Who?

Panarin is the closest comparison from a free agent perspective and he's paid...$11.64M?

Kucherov signed $9.5M, but that included one RFA year.

Mark Stone at $9.5M is in there as well.

These players also signed in New York City, Vegas, and Tampa Bay. All much bigger draws than Calgary.

Panarin was a 1.04 pts/g player the previous two seasons in Columbus
Kucherov was a 1.41 pts/g player the previous two seasons in Tampa.
Stone was a 1.06 pts/g player the previous two seasons in Ottawa.
Gaudreau has been a 0.85 pts/g player the past two seasons in Calgary.

Recent production matters and it put's him closer to Taylor Hall than it does the aforementioned players. He's quite clearly better than Hall but his contract should come in the middle. A long term deal between 7-8M is more than fair for all parties involved (assuming he wants to stay here).

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

Yeah sorry those aren't Gaudreau's comparables.

Take a look at Taylor Hall if you wanna be honest with yourself. That right there is the closest comparable.

Were teams knocking each other over to sign Hall?

Johnny Gaudreau > Taylor Hall. Not a comparable because he has an injury history that devalues any stats he puts up.

[ComixZone]

The undervaluing of Gaudreau is absolutely insane, and you guys are flat out wrong. If Calgary takes a stance anywhere close to where you believe his value is, he walks in free agency.

Taylor Hall also took a discount for stability after being kicked around the league for a number of years, and he did so with the Boston Bruins - a team with a proven track record of winning consistently and being an original six team.

[Mr.Coffee]

If I’m Johnny I’m looking for $60MM.

In any time horizon but I would expect that and basically not agree to anything less. It would be pretty straightforward actually. And he will get it if he stays healthy and produces.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

If I’m Johnny I’m looking for $60MM.

In any time horizon but I would expect that and basically not agree to anything less. It would be pretty straightforward actually. And he will get it if he stays healthy and produces.

He’s asking for it before he produces though.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

So tired of drive by comments like this. Can you explain what a level headed reaction would be to this situation? The player could re-sign, be traded, or leave in free agency. That is the situation right now which is exactly what has been discussed.

Yeah, despite differences in opinion this is a decent discussion around value, comparable, contract tactics, etc. Nothing wrong with it.

[Mr.Coffee]

Yeah, but I am saying I take the bet on myself and let the Flames figure out if squabbling over $4-5MM is worth the risk of their best player walking. Personally I think it would be idiotic but that’s me.

[jlh2640]

I would pay Johnny 5 years at 9 million. He has earned it, however no way will the Flames go that high. He is severely undervalued in Calgary.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

How on earth do you figure that this would be a "smart" approach? It is smart only if Gaudreau's top priority is to re-sign in Calgary, thus putting exceptional pressure on the team to extend him at the number he has chosen and even then it is risky. But, if Gaudreu has already settled on exploring free agency then it is absolutely within his best interest to accommodate the team in their efforts to move him. If he effectively blocks this option, then he hurts himself while punishing the team in the process; he could end up going nowhere, finishing out his season projecting the perception of a jaded and selfish player, playing out the string on a meaningless season and devaluing his next contract in the process.

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It essentially gives him full no trade protection. He can allow a trade, but to his destination only. it does absolutely nothing to black a trade to a team he would want. It only allows him to choose his destination. How can that ever be a bad thing? There is a reason players desire full no trade protection.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by jlh2640

I would pay Johnny 5 years at 9 million. He has earned it, however no way will the Flames go that high. He is severely undervalued in Calgary.

The term for Calgary will need to start with an 8. Why on earth would he settle for 5?

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

Panarin was a 1.04 pts/g player the previous two seasons in Columbus
Kucherov was a 1.41 pts/g player the previous two seasons in Tampa.
Stone was a 1.06 pts/g player the previous two seasons in Ottawa.
Gaudreau has been a 0.85 pts/g player the past two seasons in Calgary.

Recent production matters and it put's him closer to Taylor Hall than it does the aforementioned players. He's quite clearly better than Hall but his contract should come in the middle. A long term deal between 7-8M is more than fair for all parties involved (assuming he wants to stay here).

You are correct that Stone, Kucherov and Panarin are better players than Johnny.

Which may or may not be relevant.

Johnny is entitled to ask for whatever he wants from Calgary. He has complete control at this stage. If they don't meet his asking price (regardless if he's worth it or not), he can walk as a UFA. They may not even be able to trade him without his consent.

I assume if Johnny would sign a FMV deal he'd be signed by now. He's probably looking for a mega deal to keep him in Calgary. Something like 8x $9.5M as a minimum. And maybe more.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

It essentially gives him full no trade protection. He can allow a trade, but to his destination only. it does absolutely nothing to black a trade to a team he would want. It only allows him to choose his destination. How can that ever be a bad thing? There is a reason players desire full no trade protection.

It can be a bad thing if the player is indeed motivated to be moved, but ends up playing out the season with no playoffs if the team is unable to find a palatable return. It can be a bad thing if he ends up being moved to a team on his list that he does not actually want to play for in the first place. How can it be a bad thing to simply provide a list of five teams he would like to play for?