Friedman: Gaudreau not expected to comment on contract status

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Agreed.

The thing is, we can take a select few recent signings and say, based on them, he is getting $9M for sure.

And we can take a select other few signings and conclude that $7M is fair.

It isn't an exact science and we are sometimes surprised by the actual numbers.

Count me in for the bolded scenario. Are there really signings that support this?

[Toonage]

^^ If that were true I feel sorry for Coleman the most lol

[topfiverecords]

Treliving coming up on 960. Sideline overreactors get ready.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I fully admit I am shocked that the Flames let it get to this. I don't buy that a contract is done or even close. It's clear they couldn't come to an agreement over the summer as there's no way the team or the player would want this carrying over into the season. The team is now dealing from a position of weakness as Gaudreau can only be traded to five teams and those five teams know that they can wait until July to get him without giving up an asset. It's really hard to put a positive spin on this situation.

The worst part of this is we'll have to deal now with some posters on CP bringing this into every thread on CP even if the thread has nothing to do with Gaudreau's extension, just to ensure CP is aware of how bad they think Treliving is.

[_Q_]

I have a feeling, next year at this time, we'll be going in to training camp with no Gaudreau or Tkachuk and nothing to show for it.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Bingo

So he's aware of the pressure points.
He has a calendar.
Gaudreau wants more than he will give him.

But doesn't trade him because he's stubborn?

This is honestly what you're going with? Looks like there's lots of "odd" to go around.

Actually "what I'm going with" was a really direct concept that you decided to inject a bunch of irrelevant information into for literally no reason.

Go back and read what I said. It's super simple. You basically created a whole bunch of thoughts I never had and are now confused by me having these thoughts.

Odd.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by _Q_

I have a feeling, next year at this time, we'll be going in to training camp with no Gaudreau or Tkachuk and nothing to show for it.

If that's where we end up, it's an absolute disaster for the franchise. But, let's face it, they have nothing in place for Gaudreau at this point. If he (Johnny) wants, he just gives them 5 teams that can't possibly afford him, don't want him and bleeds that contract down.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Count me in for the bolded scenario. Are there really signings that support this?

Couturier, Laine, Landeskog, Barzal, Reinhart, Fiala. Now, you can argue that they are not as good but they are also paid significantly less and points wise their numbers reflect a level of payment that you could arguably translate to $7.5 for JG.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Making him tied for the 2nd highest paid winger in the game. 4th highest winger period.

Tied with Kucherov (albeit who signed 3 years ago).

That’s a tough ask.

It's an exceptionally tough ask.

But the likely alternative is he goes UFA.

it will take an exceptionally huge contract to keep him in Calgary IMO.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Doesn't matter how we got here, but if I am Gaudreau, I am not signing until I see what the rest of these high profile RFAs sign for. He might be able to get anywhere between 0.5 - 1.5 million more per season after this, possibly.



I really believed that Treliving wouldn't drop the ball on this negotiation, and that if they were far apart, that Gaudreau would have been traded before his NTC kicked-in. I feel like perhaps I am wrong here. I figured Johnny was too busy with the wedding, and that the Flames also wanted the photo-op of the GM and Player sitting down to put ink to paper as part of the release as seems popular these days.


Hopefully he signs a deal shortly. Gaudreau is really the only 'electric' player on this team that is a real treat to watch on many nights. He has all the leverage now it seems, so I guess we will see how it plays out. It doesn't feel good at the moment, but I won't scream that the sky is falling just yet.

[stemit14]

I think Gaudreau’s camp likely has a very simple stance in this negotiation… and it’s pretty justifiable. He is the most talented player on the team. He towed the line on the giordano cap with his last contract. It’s obvious what other players with comparable numbers are getting right now. He’s probably willing to stay but not at a discount… especially if Treliving has not brought in big talent to warrant taking a discount to make room (for a guy like Eichel for example). The number is probably $9-9.5 million for 8 years with a limited NTC.

Treliving is probably thinking $8 million… but I bet that’s a non-starter for Gaudreau’s camp. Even if he has a down year, I think he could get $8 million on the open market because most GMs would assume it was because of Sutter’s defence-first system and lack of other top tier talent. So in that case, Gaudreau has little motivation to sign an $8 million deal right now.

I think the bottom line is the flames will have to overpay to keep him… and I’m honestly ok with that. He is a great player and is easily the finest player to watch on the team. I think he has it in him to be a big part of a championship team and I hope it’s with the flames.


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[CSharp]

Nothing coming out of Francis's mouth is a good thing.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by stemit14

I think Gaudreau’s camp likely has a very simple stance in this negotiation… and it’s pretty justifiable. He is the most talented player on the team. He towed the line on the giordano cap with his last contract. It’s obvious what other players with comparable numbers are getting right now. He’s probably willing to stay but not at a discount… especially if Treliving has not brought in big talent to warrant taking a discount to make room (for a guy like Eichel for example). The number is probably $9-9.5 million for 8 years with a limited NTC.

Treliving is probably thinking $8 million… but I bet that’s a non-starter for Gaudreau’s camp. Even if he has a down year, I think he could get $8 million on the open market because most GMs would assume it was because of Sutter’s defence-first system and lack of other top tier talent. So in that case, Gaudreau has little motivation to sign an $8 million deal right now.

I think the bottom line is the flames will have to overpay to keep him… and I’m honestly ok with that. He is a great player and is easily the finest player to watch on the team. I think he has it in him to be a big part of a championship team and I hope it’s with the flames.


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What team that’s close to a championship can pay $9M for Gaudreau? Other teams have the same cap issues as Calgary, or worse.

It’s “toe the line”.

[djsFlames]

Like that ever stopped Francis.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Couturier, Laine, Landeskog, Barzal, Reinhart, Fiala. Now, you can argue that they are not as good but they are also paid significantly less and points wise their numbers reflect a level of payment that you could arguably translate to $7.5 for JG.

I'll buy Couturier and Landeskog. Different players for sure, but valuable nonetheless and their contracts are reasonable.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by getoverit

How many points does Gaudreau have in the playoffs? Or impact. Comparison to Point is not a good one

You can say that about a lot of players though... contracts are based mostly on regular season numbers.

Point is also a Tampa contract not a Calgary contract.

By this logic Coleman>McDavid the last couple years so why does he get 12.5

Market is around 9M for Gaudreau... don't like it? What then? What better player is coming to Calgary for less?

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by dino7c

You can say that about a lot of players though... contracts are based mostly on regular season numbers.

Point is also a Tampa contract not a Calgary contract.

By this logic Coleman>McDavid the last couple years so why does he get 12.5

Market is around 9M for Gaudreau... don't like it? What then? What better player is coming to Calgary for less?

Sorry, what other 27-30 year old wingers who are undersized, have zero physical presence, and have been scoring <1ppg have long-term deals for 9M with NTCs?

In a flat cap league, there is no market for 9M one-dimensional wingers.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dino7c

You can say that about a lot of players though... contracts are based mostly on regular season numbers.

Point is also a Tampa contract not a Calgary contract.

By this logic Coleman>McDavid the last couple years so why does he get 12.5

Market is around 9M for Gaudreau... don't like it? What then? What better player is coming to Calgary for less?

I’m saying PO performance is a factor, not everything.

I mean, yes, every single player has different circumstances, and that’s why lots of comparables are used, and that’s why players and GMs usually disagree on who they are. Gaudreau says “pay me like Marner and Panarin”. Treliving says “how about Laine and Barzal”.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

Sorry, what other 27-30 year old wingers who are undersized, have zero physical presence, and have been scoring <1ppg have long-term deals for 9M with NTCs?

In a flat cap league, there is no market for 9M one-dimensional wingers.

Yet that’s likely the price that it will cost Calgary to keep him at a minimum.

If Johnny would sign a fmv deal, he’d be signed by now.


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[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

Sorry, what other 27-30 year old wingers who are undersized, have zero physical presence, and have been scoring <1ppg have long-term deals for 9M with NTCs?

In a flat cap league, there is no market for 9M one-dimensional wingers.

Are you honestly suggesting Gaudreau couldn't get 9 on the open market?

An under PPG RFA winger with 2 more points than Gaudreau in his only NHL season just got 9

Gaudreau as a UFA would have those offers 100%

Gaudreau was almost PPG last season playing Monahan/Richie for most of the season...he was well over PPG the last full NHL season

I almost hope he does go somewhere with a real first line and puts up 120 points