Friedman: Gaudreau not expected to comment on contract status

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Not how I see it.

A guy that is very process driven is well aware of pressure points and timing when managing assets.

Every team has players walk. Every team locks up players.

So he passed the 5 team deadline, are you saying he was unaware of it? Wasn't sure what it meant? Didn't know that going by it meant less leverage?

I find all of those tough to see.

They let it go by for a reason, I think we can agree on that.

He either thinks a contract is coming, or decided himself or was told that it's worth the risk vs the team being poor this year.

So you think Coleman called Gaudreau, Gaudreau said "I don't know buddy" or "none of your business" or "I'm testing the market" and he signed anyway?

I'm saying it's bad asset management and not "ballsy" to let your best player walk and using that as a counter to people saying he doesn't have the gumption to pull the trigger on core deals is honestly just odd.

I mean what are you even talking about? Process driven? Well aware of pressure points? I feel like I'm in a meeting with a BA. Of course he's aware of the context of market and contract status. Being aware of things doesn't mean you have the capability to make the hard decisions about them. Clearly.

I'm not sure why Coleman is brought up. I didn't mention him, not sure why you'd insinuate a thought I had about a player not relevant to the discussion. If the implication is that he got Coleman to sign here based on him staying, well that's irrelevant. Players say things that end up not being true in hindsight all the time. He has no obligation to Coleman.

I think the reason they let it pass is that Gaudreau wants more than Treliving wants to give. I mean that's obvious and if it's the case you need to move the asset quickly. Not show everyone how stubborn you are by sticking to your guns and letting him walk.

[MrMike]

Without Gaudreau, this team has no chance. If he doesn’t sign you have to rebuild. All our offence flows through him.

I’m optimistic looking forward to this year, but beyond that scares me.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Great... still have no idea why he isn't signed if he wants to be here.

I think he'll accept being here if the money and term is right. That's the likely best case scenario.

I doubt that he's on the "only Calgary" bandwagon. If he was, he'd be signed already.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Yeah that's a pretty good summary and one that I would agree with. Johnny is not a guy I would be committing big bucks too, but nor is Tkachuk for other reasons.
And I don't think they will move both.

As much as fans are worried about this I'm also excited and keenly interested to see how things play out with both players over the next 12 months.

Here here. There's no personal benefit to me feeling anything negative about this situation that, ultimately, doesn't matter.

I'm sure it'll work out. If it doesn't, he gets traded or walks, Treliving probably goes, and we get the excitement of either a rebuild or a fresh set of hands molding the roster into whatever it can be.

Regardless of what happens, hockey gets played. I'm into it.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by DJones

Just trade him before the deadline. Don't want to end up like the Islanders.

I'd love to end up like the Islanders.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

First of all, markets change

Second, what is talked about here is irrelevant

First of all, the $7M was being discussed in August - I don’t think the market has changed that much.

Second, you don’t think what’s talked about here isn’t reflective of the pressures on management?

IMO this was clearly aimed at doing what they could to remind the public they are without a contract, in a way which could never be described as pot stirring or threatening. And yes, it’s obviously changed the dynamic.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

First of all, the $7M was being discussed in August - I don’t think the market has changed that much.

Second, you don’t think what’s talked about here isn’t reflective of the pressures on management?

IMO this was clearly aimed at doing what they could to remind the public they are without a contract, in a way which could never be described as pot stirring or threatening. And yes, it’s obviously changed the dynamic.

Honestly, I don't think 95% of what's discussed here is reflective of anything... at all.

Have you read this board? We're insane!

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

$9Mx6 would seem like a realistic best case scenario

Can't imagine he'll take a 6 year term. Why would he?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Honestly, I don't think 95% of what's discussed here is reflective of anything... at all.

Have you read this board? We're insane!

Well, the tone changed about Gaudreau’s value here. I don’t honk CP is much different than the fan base as a whole - maybe more cynical, that’s it. I bet it hasn’t gone unnoticed.

All I can say is - people who were saying “he’s only worth $7” a month ago are now saying “I guess $9M is OK”. I’m not saying Treliving will do that deal. I’m saying it makes the game a little harder to play.

I would have traded Gaudreau a year ago so what do I know, though.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Can't imagine he'll take a 6 year term. Why would he?

Exactly.

$9.5M x 8 years is the minimum it would take in my eyes.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Exactly.

$9.5M x 8 years is the minimum it would take in my eyes.

Making him tied for the 2nd highest paid winger in the game. 4th highest winger period.

Tied with Kucherov (albeit who signed 3 years ago).

That’s a tough ask.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Here here. There's no personal benefit to me feeling anything negative about this situation that, ultimately, doesn't matter.

I'm sure it'll work out. If it doesn't, he gets traded or walks, Treliving probably goes, and we get the excitement of either a rebuild or a fresh set of hands molding the roster into whatever it can be.

Regardless of what happens, hockey gets played. I'm into it.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Well, the tone changed about Gaudreau’s value here. I don’t honk CP is much different than the fan base as a whole - maybe more cynical, that’s it. I bet it hasn’t gone unnoticed.

All I can say is - people who were saying “he’s only worth $7” a month ago are now saying “I guess $9M is OK”. I’m not saying Treliving will do that deal. I’m saying it makes the game a little harder to play.

I would have traded Gaudreau a year ago so what do I know, though.

Yes, the tone has changed from the fans' perspective. But there is no reason whatsoever to assume that it was at all accurate, either before or now.

Considering how crazy most of the recent posts are, I am fairly confident that the current fan perspective is way off.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Yes, the tone has changed from the fans' perspective. But there is no reason whatsoever to assume that it was at all accurate, either before or now.

Considering how crazy most of the recent posts are, I am fairly confident that the current fan perspective is way off.

One can only hope. $9M is an overpay IMO.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Making him tied for the 2nd highest paid winger in the game. 4th highest winger period.

Tied with Kucherov (albeit who signed 3 years ago).

That’s a tough ask.

It'd tie him with:

Kucherov
Ovechkin
Benn
Stone

While Panarin, Marner, and Kane make more (I suppose Seguin would fit in as well? He's more RW than he is C at this stage).

Since Johnny entered the league, here is the list of wingers who have better P/GP:

Kane
Kucherov
Panarin
Marchand
Marner
Ovechkin
Pastrnak
Wheeler

Pasta has 2 years left on his current deal, but he'll be jumping up to the $10M range as well. Marchand's deal really is something special though. I think fan talk on here about $9M being an overpay is just flat out wrong. Gaudreau is elite, and his market value is at the top of his position.

Now if we want to argue that these current Calgary Flames shouldn't be committing an 8 year deal and nearly $10M per to Johnny Gaudreau, that I could understand - but straight value? He's a $9-$10M player.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

One can only hope. $9M is an overpay IMO.

Agreed.

The thing is, we can take a select few recent signings and say, based on them, he is getting $9M for sure.

And we can take a select other few signings and conclude that $7M is fair.

It isn't an exact science and we are sometimes surprised by the actual numbers.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

It'd tie him with:

Kucherov
Ovechkin
Benn
Stone

Since Johnny entered the league, here is the list of wingers who have better P/GP:

Kane
Kucherov
Panarin
Marchand
Marner
Ovechkin
Pastrnak
Wheeler

Pasta has 2 years left on his current deal, but he'll be jumping up to the $10M range as well. Marchand's deal really is something special though.

I don’t really count the special deals like Marchand or great deals like Pasternak and Wheeler when looking at comparables. I will say that most of those guys have significant post season performances to put them above Gaudreau, who hasn’t looked good even in losing efforts.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by nik-

I'm saying it's bad asset management and not "ballsy" to let your best player walk and using that as a counter to people saying he doesn't have the gumption to pull the trigger on core deals is honestly just odd.

I mean what are you even talking about? Process driven? Well aware of pressure points? I feel like I'm in a meeting with a BA. Of course he's aware of the context of market and contract status. Being aware of things doesn't mean you have the capability to make the hard decisions about them. Clearly.

I'm not sure why Coleman is brought up. I didn't mention him, not sure why you'd insinuate a thought I had about a player not relevant to the discussion. If the implication is that he got Coleman to sign here based on him staying, well that's irrelevant. Players say things that end up not being true in hindsight all the time. He has no obligation to Coleman.

I think the reason they let it pass is that Gaudreau wants more than Treliving wants to give. I mean that's obvious and if it's the case you need to move the asset quickly. Not show everyone how stubborn you are by sticking to your guns and letting him walk.

So he's aware of the pressure points.
He has a calendar.
Gaudreau wants more than he will give him.

But doesn't trade him because he's stubborn?

This is honestly what you're going with? Looks like there's lots of "odd" to go around.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Agreed.

The thing is, we can take a select few recent signings and say, based on them, he is getting $9M for sure.

And we can take a select other few signings and conclude that $7M is fair.

It isn't an exact science and we are sometimes surprised by the actual numbers.

I agree that Treliving probably takes a pretty standard business approach to this. If the aim was to pressure him, I think he’s actually better off now waiting for a while and thus making JG stick to his word about not commenting on contract. The pressure (if it exists) will back off and they can get back to normal negotiations.

ETA: I do think public/media/fan pressure can get to some GMs and affect their decisions. Treliving hasn’t really shown it.

[sa226]

In my completely fabricated version of the likely events over the summer, Treliving had many irons in the fire to completely rework the team, including Eichel. Gaudreau was excited and sold Coleman on the city and franchise, while getting close to signing a fair medium term contract.

Eichel fell through because Buffalo is a tire fire of a franchise, top to bottom, as a result everything else fell through, so Treliving adds a couple of Sutter plugs to fill out the roster.

Now with largely the same core remaining, minus their best defenseman and a potentially disgruntled Tkachuk, Gaudreaus' camp has taken a step back from the table and entered wait and see mode.

If the team is competitive and Gaudreau thinks they have a chance of competing meaningfully for and in the Playoffs, he signs by March 1st. If the team continues to underacheive with no meaningful success on the horizon he informs Treliving that he intends to test free agency, this leaves Treliving scrambling to either deal his top offensive forward at the deadline or ride with him into the 7th or 8th playoff seed and risk losing him for nothing.

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