Brad Treliving needs to go

[ricardodw]

This summer has been a full on endorsement of Tkachuk being given support in his preferred style of play.

He has a squad of goonish capable players that should be backing him right or wrong. Gudbrandson, Zaradov, Ritchie, Lucic and Tkachuk

That is one heck of send a message starting line-up. In todays NHL having these 5 on the ice together, even by accident, might cost Sutter some fine $$$.

Coleman hits everything that he possibly can.

Tkachuk will be captain

Gaudreau should be going around double dog daring someone to slash him.

Markstrom will not have to worry about other teams skating through his crease.

[neo45]

Out of all the dumb reasons to praise Brad I think salary cap management might be the dumbest

He inherited a team with 30m in cap space and managed to get hit with an OVERAGE penalty within 2 years

He’s bought out how many of his own contracts at this point? Praising his salary cap management is like saying he has a good eye for coaches

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

The real deal says ‘hi’

Teenaged girls across the country say ‘hi’

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

He could have. But the premise is that Feaster > Treliving solely because he drafted Gaudreau. Implying that this was something he did on his own. Is there evidence Treliving ignores his staff’s advice on drafting? If not, drafting Gaudreau is not a point either way.

The post you took offense with specifically called Feaster a horrible GM. I don’t agree with the premise or the implication you are asserting here.

You give credit to Treliving for trading Neal for Lucic right? I do. Remember his initial request to ownership was to buy Neal out after one year.

[TheChief]

Brad really sucks, that is all. But Sutter wont let the team go down without a fight. I used to think Brad was good at signing his own players, but after what he did with Mangiapane and how Rasmus has performed so far...he got it wrong.Now we are looking down the barrel of getting scraps for JG at the deadline, no one in the league wants Sean Monahan, and Tkachuk has one foot out the door. Funny how his job may be saved by someone he didn't want to hire...

[klikitiklik]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

This summer has been a full on endorsement of Tkachuk being given support in his preferred style of play.

He has a squad of goonish capable players that should be backing him right or wrong. Gudbrandson, Zaradov, Ritchie, Lucic and Tkachuk

That is one heck of send a message starting line-up. In todays NHL having these 5 on the ice together, even by accident, might cost Sutter some fine $$$.

Coleman hits everything that he possibly can.

Tkachuk will be captain

Gaudreau should be going around double dog daring someone to slash him.

Markstrom will not have to worry about other teams skating through his crease.

Good take but the referees and our poor D will be the great equalizer.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by TheChief

Brad really sucks, that is all. But Sutter wont let the team go down without a fight. I used to think Brad was good at signing his own players, but after what he did with Mangiapane and how Rasmus has performed so far...he got it wrong.Now we are looking down the barrel of getting scraps for JG at the deadline, no one in the league wants Sean Monahan, and Tkachuk has one foot out the door. Funny how his job may be saved by someone he didn't want to hire...

How do you know this? What evidence do you have other than delusional tales some posters here like to prattle on about?

Friedman has said the Flames have been in contact with Sutter since Peters was dismissed. If Treliving didn’t want to hire Sutter, why is he still the GM?

[Cambardi]

Isn’t it known that Sutter wanted to step away for a break from hockey? I think it was known that on his departure from LA many teams were pursuing him. Those teams included both Calgary and Edmonton.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by klikitiklik

Good take but the referees and our poor D will be the great equalizer.

If by some miracle and luck in playing in the Pacific this Flame team makes the playoffs all of the sudden no one wants to play them.


Even in the regular season the Flames will get some points as they are different than the other teams. The other teams will be looking for their version of Rinaldo to play their 4-5 games a year to play against the Flames.

[Moneyhands23]

I guess it's wait and see time. If the team doest take it to the 2nd round of the playoffs (and a competitive 2nd round) then he has to go.

[TheSquatch]

Exactly, no more than another 7 years, tops, before we render judgment. Time to get serious.

[Rollin22x]

Originally Posted by TheChief

Brad really sucks, that is all. But Sutter wont let the team go down without a fight. I used to think Brad was good at signing his own players, but after what he did with Mangiapane and how Rasmus has performed so far...he got it wrong.Now we are looking down the barrel of getting scraps for JG at the deadline, no one in the league wants Sean Monahan, and Tkachuk has one foot out the door. Funny how his job may be saved by someone he didn't want to hire...

Not sure how he mishandled Mangiapane.
Rasmus? Because he didn’t progress the way you expected, it’s the GMs fault?
The last 3 are pure speculation.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

If by some miracle and luck in playing in the Pacific this Flame team makes the playoffs all of the sudden no one wants to play them.


Even in the regular season the Flames will get some points as they are different than the other teams. The other teams will be looking for their version of Rinaldo to play their 4-5 games a year to play against the Flames.

They folded in the playoffs. They added one guy Coleman with recent playoffs success. I don’t think teams will be scared unless you mean just beat them up physically like in the 80s

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by neo45

Out of all the dumb reasons to praise Brad I think salary cap management might be the dumbest

He inherited a team with 30m in cap space and managed to get hit with an OVERAGE penalty within 2 years

He’s bought out how many of his own contracts at this point? Praising his salary cap management is like saying he has a good eye for coaches

In as vaccuum spending to the cap > having excess cap space.


Likewise, the majority of teams have dead cap via buyouts.

Of the NHL’s 31 teams, 23 are expected to carry “dead” money on their salary cap for 2020-21. Nine other teams will have a higher figure on their payroll than the Penguins for players no longer on the roster.
According to Cap Friendly, two teams will even have “dead” money figures in eight figures.

https://triblive.com/sports/dead-mon...her-nhl-teams/

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

The post you took offense with specifically called Feaster a horrible GM. I don’t agree with the premise or the implication you are asserting here.

You give credit to Treliving for trading Neal for Lucic right? I do. Remember his initial request to ownership was to buy Neal out after one year.

It said Treliving was worse than Feaster and Button combined. That is the premise that I debated.

I voted to terminate Treliving. But he wasn’t as bad as either one of those guys let alone combined.

Treliving has made two big mistakes and Neal was one. He’s also had a general lack of success which is why I think he merits termination. I think he’s just a standard issue GM who has had a mix of bad decisions, good moves and bad luck. But results matter.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

They folded in the playoffs. They added one guy Coleman with recent playoffs success. I don’t think teams will be scared unless you mean just beat them up physically like in the 80s

They have folded in the playoffs. They haven't been a bully team since 04 where they physically won 3 series over better more talented teams.

Why did Montreal play in the SC finals this year? They were pretty much even with the under achieving Flames for 50 games of the 56 game season.

They had 4 massive defensemen who neutralized the other teams far more talented players. In the playoff rule books they were allowed to physically dominate.

[NegativeSpace]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

It said Treliving was worse than Feaster and Button combined. That is the premise that I debated.

I voted to terminate Treliving. But he wasn’t as bad as either one of those guys let alone combined.

Treliving has made two big mistakes and Neal was one. He’s also had a general lack of success which is why I think he merits termination. I think he’s just a standard issue GM who has had a mix of bad decisions, good moves and bad luck. But results matter.

I still go with the theory that his biggest error was thinking he had a first line centre in Monahan or over time Bennett. He bet that this team was done rebuilding and sought to get support. Now, I thought the same as he did at the time. He made errors on Neal and Brower but those are secondary to thinking this team had the right top players before buying high on some defence and secondary scoring.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by NegativeSpace

I still go with the theory that his biggest error was thinking he had a first line centre in Monahan or over time Bennett. He bet that this team was done rebuilding and sought to get support. Now, I thought the same as he did at the time. He made errors on Neal and Brower but those are secondary to thinking this team had the right top players before buying high on some defence and secondary scoring.

I think it’s more likely ownership told him the rebuild was over after the ‘15 season.

There were many who thought the Flames were going to be in the McDavid sweepstakes at the beginning of that year. I’m guessing Treliving probably thought he had at least 2-3 years of collecting high picks and building through the draft.

Im not sure why any GM would cut short his own rebuild, specifically in year one of his tenure. Makes no sense whatsoever.

[FanIn80]

This was an important off-season for this franchise. We needed and wanted major changes, but we've received minor adjustments. We told them this team wasn't good enough, they've told us yes it is.

I guess we'll find out who was right.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by NegativeSpace

I still go with the theory that his biggest error was thinking he had a first line centre in Monahan or over time Bennett. He bet that this team was done rebuilding and sought to get support. Now, I thought the same as he did at the time. He made errors on Neal and Brower but those are secondary to thinking this team had the right top players before buying high on some defence and secondary scoring.

Well, he definitely thought Bennett would be #1, and so he got Neal to build wings. IMO he got Lindholm as a 1B when it wasn’t working with Bennett, but the combo of Neal being terrible and Lindholm fitting in with JG and SM kept Lindy out of the middle for too long.