2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Knightslayer]

I think people like to blame Feaster because Iginla was so loved here and can't get themselves to blame Iginla for what happened.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

There was also no obligation for the team to bring options to Iginla. The team was free to try to arrange a trade without his input, and then ask for a waiver.

No obligation of course, but if you are asking Iggy to waive, you better be prepared to answer his questions. Or he can simply not waive.

If Feaster lied and said there was only the Boston option, it would quickly come out he lied, and that would be the end of his credibility.

Iggy held all the cards, and there is no logical reason why he would give up any of those cards until he had to. And I doubt that anyone involved with the Flames wanted to deceive Iggy. So, I believe they felt that they needed to bring to Iggy all of the available options. As proven by the fact that they did just that.

[Jiri Hrdina]

The Flames did ask for Iginla's input and originally he expressed that he was open to either Boston or Pitt. Then when they brought the options to him - he said Pitt only.

You can say that the failure was perhaps not getting that stuff in writing, but I don't know that it changes the outcome at all.

And the Boston deal ended up being no better.

I've always felt the mistake that deadline was not how they handled Iginla (the mistake there was not trading him at least 1 year prior) but rather getting tunnel vision to trade Bouwmeester who had term remaining. If that deal was the best they could get for Bouw (1st + two very meh prospects) then they should have kept him and tried to get more the next deadline.

[Knightslayer]

Originally Posted by dino7c

matter of opinion...a good GM gets a player to sign off on a few teams and then does the negotiating himself without the agent poking his nose around. Would Iggy honestly have turned down Boston if they said Boston was the only deal they would accept? Obviously not he signed there 4 months later. Iggy himself said he thought the offers were pretty similar...maybe Feaster should have acted like a GM and not let the player and agent do his job for him.

No GM is going to lie to its player. That would end his career pretty fast. Good GM's act in good faith.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

I think people like to blame Feaster because Iginla was so loved here and can't get themselves to blame Iginla for what happened.

Why blame Iginla? He had a NTC and he decided that Pittsburgh was the team he wanted to be traded to the most.

The fact that Feaster lead Boston to believe they had the deal is entirely on him.

Ultimately both packages proved to be crap, so it didn't matter anyways, the Flames were trading for chicken shat, and don't have a chef who can make that into Chicken salad.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

The Flames did ask for Iginla's input and originally he expressed that he was open to either Boston or Pitt. Then when they brought the options to him - he said Pitt only.

You can say that the failure was perhaps not getting that stuff in writing, but I don't know that it changes the outcome at all.

And the Boston deal ended up being no better.

I believe that if Boston was the only option he was prepared to go here, but he preferred Pittsburgh.

It's unlikely that Iggy would ever have agreed in advance in writing that he'd approve a number of teams. I expect he, or any other player, would want to see the options available and make an informed choice.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

No obligation of course, but if you are asking Iggy to waive, you better be prepared to answer his questions. Or he can simply not waive.

If Feaster lied and said there was only the Boston option, it would quickly come out he lied, and that would be the end of his credibility.

Iggy held all the cards, and there is no logical reason why he would give up any of those cards until he had to. And I doubt that anyone involved with the Flames wanted to deceive Iggy. So, I believe they felt that they needed to bring to Iggy all of the available options. As proven by the fact that they did just that.

No lie necessary: "This was the best deal we could make so it's the one we're bringing to you." He can either say yes or no. If he says no, then it's back to the drawing board.

I don't think the fact Feaster did something is proof that he needed to do it.

[Knightslayer]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Why blame Iginla? He had a NTC and he decided that Pittsburgh was the team he wanted to be traded to the most.

The fact that Feaster lead Boston to believe they had the deal is entirely on him.

Ultimately both packages proved to be crap, so it didn't matter anyways, the Flames were trading for chicken shat, and don't have a chef who can make that into Chicken salad.

Whatever wording you'd like to use I don't think Feaster did anything wrong. Feaster may have done better at communicating but in the end it didn't make a difference.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I wish Chychrun was available-he's going to win the Norris one day.

Norris-caliber for sure, but... Fox, Makar, Heiskanen... it's going to be real tough to win a Norris over one of those guys. I mean, not saying it can't/won't happen, but there were a lot of Norris-caliber D-men who have never really stood a chance at winning anything.

Harvey => Orr => Bourque => Lidstrom => Hedman => ?

Every era seems to have that one guy who seperates themselves from the rest. It's going to be interesting to see who (if any) does it this time around. My money's on Fox. Not only is he legit, but he also plays 42 nights a year at MSG. Hard to beat publicity like that.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

The Flames did ask for Iginla's input and originally he expressed that he was open to either Boston or Pitt. Then when they brought the options to him - he said Pitt only.

You can say that the failure was perhaps not getting that stuff in writing, but I don't know that it changes the outcome at all.

And the Boston deal ended up being no better.

I've always felt the mistake that deadline was not how they handled Iginla (the mistake there was not trading him at least 1 year prior) but rather getting tunnel vision to trade Bouwmeester who had term remaining. If that deal was the best they could get for Bouw (1st + two very meh prospects) then they should have kept him and tried to get more the next deadline.

The Bouwmeester trade is where you see just how bad that management group was. There was no deadline. They chose the prospects they wanted, and a 1st. It was just bad management.

At the same time, ripping off the band-aid and going in a new direction is worth something. We ended up drafting Monahan that summer, and who knows...maybe we would have got stuck with Nikita Zadarov, Curtis Lazar, Kerby Rychel, or Hunter Shinkaruk if we had drafted a spot or two worse than 6th where we got Monahan.

That deadline, and the following summer is the only time this organization has ever done anything with an eye on short term pain for long-term gain. That 13/14 season was the only season this team prioritized the following season's draft spot ahead of immediate results.

[Knightslayer]

Originally Posted by Weitz

No player with a full NMC/NTC is doing this.

No self respecting agent will allow this and I'm sure the NHLPA wouldn't be pleased with this either.

The players have their best interests in mind. Iginla earned his full NTC.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

No self respecting agent will allow this and I'm sure the NHLPA wouldn't be pleased with this either.

The players have their best interests in mind. Iginla earned his full NTC.

Agents aren't entitled to be in the negotiating room in a trade. 100% of the entitlement is to waive or not waive.

As for Iggy's best interests, it sure didn't work out for Iggy, did it? Picked Pens over Boston, Boston goes to finals (beating the Pens 4-0). Moves to Boston, loses in round 2 (Kings win the cup). Moves to the "up and coming Avs" who finished 3rd, but the Avs never makes the POs in his 3 years (Pens win twice in the interim). Moves to LA, who won 2 cups, plays 20 games and the team misses the POs.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

No lie necessary: "This was the best deal we could make so it's the one we're bringing to you." He can either say yes or no. If he says no, then it's back to the drawing board.

I don't think the fact Feaster did something is proof that he needed to do it.

That wasn't how they were going to treat Iginla.

[FlamesAddiction]

I am pretty sure that Iginla verbally gave a shortlist of teams he would be willing to go to, but then backed out of Boston after he found out that Pittsburgh made an offer.

Whether or not it was right to present Iginla with both options and allow him to choose is between him and the team. It's not the way it has to be done, and according to other managers, it is not the way it is typically done.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

That wasn't how they were going to treat Iginla.

Obviously. But they should have. There would have been no disrespect in getting the best deal and then asking, as opposed to asking first, getting the best deal from the two teams he ID'd, and then having him insist on the second best. And Boston thought their deal was accepted. Either Feaster misrepresented it to Boston or Iginla backed out.

As people have said, in this case, it didn't even matter since the return was so crappy in both cases. And Boston didn't care because they ended up with Jagr.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

No lie necessary: "This was the best deal we could make so it's the one we're bringing to you." He can either say yes or no. If he says no, then it's back to the drawing board.

I don't think the fact Feaster did something is proof that he needed to do it.

If I'm Iggy and Feaster said " this is the best deal we could make, so it's the one we are bringing to you" the first words out of my mouth is "what other teams have made offers?". If Feaster doesn't want to disclose that, he's not getting a waiver from Iggy.

At the end of the day, Iggy will get all of the info, or he's not waiving. it really is that simple. I expect that Iggy wanted to treat Calgary fairly, and if there was a substantial difference in the offers, he likely would have waived to go to Boston. But the offers were comparable, so he chose Pittsburgh.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Agents aren't entitled to be in the negotiating room in a trade. 100% of the entitlement is to waive or not waive.

As for Iggy's best interests, it sure didn't work out for Iggy, did it? Picked Pens over Boston, Boston goes to finals (beating the Pens 4-0). Moves to Boston, loses in round 2 (Kings win the cup). Moves to the "up and coming Avs" who finished 3rd, but the Avs never makes the POs in his 3 years (Pens win twice in the interim). Moves to LA, who won 2 cups, plays 20 games and the team misses the POs.

What happened after the fact is not relevant.

Correct, 100% of the entitlement is to waive or not. Which gives him 100% of the power and the right to ask whatever questions he wants. It effectively gives him the right to all of the information surrounding the deal, whatever he wants. If puts him squarely in the negotiating room, if that is his choice.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

What happened after the fact is not relevant.

Correct, 100% of the entitlement is to waive or not. Which gives him 100% of the power and the right to ask whatever questions he wants. It effectively gives him the right to all of the information surrounding the deal, whatever he wants. If puts him squarely in the negotiating room, if that is his choice.

He has the ability to ask questions I suppose, but there's actually no obligation to provide an answer beyond asking "will you waive to go to X".

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

He has the ability to ask questions I suppose, but there's actually no obligation to provide an answer beyond asking "will you waive to go to X".

While we are imagining what happened in the room, let’s face the fact that Iggy had no need to say yes to being traded in the first place.

Holding all of the cards, it wouldn’t be that hard for him to impose a condition in exchange for that agreement

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

While we are imagining what happened in the room, let’s face the fact that Iggy had no need to say yes to being traded in the first place.

Holding all of the cards, it wouldn’t be that hard for him to impose a condition in exchange for that agreement

Sure, as I say, that was his right to say yes or no. But IMO, if Feaster had just gone out, sought deals, and taken the Boston deal to Iggy, he would have still waived.