2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

https://twitter.com/user/status/1435059130830524419

Figured. Too good to be true

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Yes. Chychrun is worth it

I agree. He’s a superstar on a bad team who had a breakout season on a team nobody talks about. 4 years at $4.6mil is a massive steal too

Flames added chychrun for picks our d core would instantly be as good as anyone’s and he scored 41 points and 18 goals in 56 games so he def helps the pp and offence too

2 firsts is risky but he is worth it

[getbak]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Does anyone know if there is any salary cap benefit to waiting till the season starts before acquiring eichel? My understanding is that every team has to be under the cap on day one of the regular season before it can put players on LTIR.

In that case, Buffalo could hold onto him until after day one of the regular season and then put him on LTIR. At which point they could trade him to a team without that team having to send back salary since he would remain on LTIR (as long as the team would be over the salary cap if he were not on LTIR).

It would only be temporary as he would eventually come off LTIR but a team could pull a kucherov with him and not have to give up roster players. The team could keep everyone on their current roster and worry about making cap space for him later (either later in the season or in the offseason if he’s not healthy until playoffs).

Is this a possibility or am I wrong about how the LTIR cap relief would work?

I can't think of any players who were traded while on LTIR, but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't work that way. Something like that would almost be like trading cap space, which is not allowed.

Also, right now, Buffalo is nowhere close to the cap even with Eichel's $10 million accounted for, so they can't put him on LTIR to start the season. As it stands, they will need his $10 million cap hit just to reach the floor.



If a team is already using LTIR space, they might be able to wait until the final rosters are set and acquire him while putting him directly on LTIR, but I don't know if that would really be any better than acquiring him now.

[Sandman]

I wish Chychrun was available-he's going to win the Norris one day.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

You are willing to give up the 2022 and 2023 first picks for him? Potentially the two deepest drafts in 10 years.

Yes, easily...the chances of the Flames picking someone better in either draft are incredibly slim

Maybe if they have a first overall but even if they are dead last (they won't be) that is what 20% chance. Even then you have a top Dman in the league to cry yourself to sleep on.

The chances of the Flames picking top 3 let alone #1 with Chychrun in the lineup are almost zero.

[Knightslayer]

Originally Posted by dino7c

But the Flames don't have to tell him who has made offers

Unless the GM pulls a Feaster

Are you talking about the Iginla trade? Iginla had a NTC didn't he? So yes he did have to tell him who made offers or player would simply refuse to move.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

Are you talking about the Iginla trade? Iginla had a NTC didn't he? So yes he did have to tell him who made offers or player would simply refuse to move.

Iginla gave him a list of teams he would accept trades to...but Feaster never got anything in writing so when he made a trade with Boston Iggy nixed it because he wanted to go to the Pens. (Feaster obviously spilled those beans too)

apparently Iginla knew exactly what both offers were

[Knightslayer]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Iginla gave him a list of teams he would accept trades to...but Feaster never got anything in writing so when he made a trade with Boston Iggy nixed it because he wanted to go to the Pens. (Feaster obviously spilled those beans too)

apparently Iginla knew exactly what both offers were

I'm well aware of what happened but that isn't on Feaster. Even if Iginla knew what both offers were I doubt he would know which offer was better or would even care. He just waived his NTC for the team he has been on his entire career and had a NTC so he has the final say.

Don't know why people keep blaming Feaster as if Iginla doesn't have an agent looking out for his best interests and also Iginla looking out for his best interests.

I'm sure when Feaster said Boston made an offer Iginla or his agent did their due diligence and asked if another offer had been made. Any agent would do that for their client. When Pittsburgh had made one as well Iginla made his choice.

Not on Feaster.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

I'm well aware of what happened but that isn't on Feaster. Even if Iginla knew what both offers were I doubt he would know which offer was better or would even care. He just waived his NTC for the team he has been on his entire career and had a NTC so he has the final say.

Don't know why people keep blaming Feaster as if Iginla doesn't have an agent looking out for his best interests and also Iginla looking out for his best interests.

I'm sure when Feaster said Boston made an offer Iginla or his agent did their due diligence and asked if another offer had been made. Any agent would do that for their client. When Pittsburgh had made one as well Iginla made his choice.

Not on Feaster.

matter of opinion...a good GM gets a player to sign off on a few teams and then does the negotiating himself without the agent poking his nose around. Would Iggy honestly have turned down Boston if they said Boston was the only deal they would accept? Obviously not he signed there 4 months later. Iggy himself said he thought the offers were pretty similar...maybe Feaster should have acted like a GM and not let the player and agent do his job for him.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Iginla gave him a list of teams he would accept trades to...but Feaster never got anything in writing so when he made a trade with Boston Iggy nixed it because he wanted to go to the Pens. (Feaster obviously spilled those beans too)

apparently Iginla knew exactly what both offers were

I believe that Iggy gave him a list of teams he might accept trades to.

There is no reason why Iggy would commit in writing to a number of teams. That would be foolish. And he has no reason why he needs to do that.

A player will always want to see what his options are at the end of the day.


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[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Yes, easily...the chances of the Flames picking someone better in either draft are incredibly slim

Maybe if they have a first overall but even if they are dead last (they won't be) that is what 20% chance. Even then you have a top Dman in the league to cry yourself to sleep on.

The chances of the Flames picking top 3 let alone #1 with Chychrun in the lineup are almost zero.

It’s a tough decision

But if the team is going to finish at the bottom, I wouldn’t do it. I’d take my chance for Wright and Bedard.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

It’s a tough decision

But if the team is going to finish at the bottom, I wouldn’t do it. I’d take my chance for Wright and Bedard.

There is no chance the Flames finish at the bottom.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I believe that Iggy gave him a list of teams he might accept trades to.

There is no reason why Iggy would commit in writing to a number of teams. That would be foolish. And he has no reason why he needs to do that.

A player will always want to see what his options are at the end of the day.


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I agree that Iginla held the cards in that situation. Yes Feaster could have asked for a long list of teams in writing that he would agree to waive for and Iginla could have said no.

The Flames were committed to dealing with Iginla with as much respect as possible. And if it meant not extracting the most value possible, so be it.

Now IMO it's still on Feaster for agreeing to two worthless prospects in that trade with Pitt. I suspect he could have done a little better.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

There is no chance the Flames finish at the bottom.

Yeah I would say unlikely but with the lottery there is always a chance

Btw, I am not even saying they will. Just replying to the post saying they would trade for him even if they finish at the bottom

[dino7c]

Finish dead last you have what a 20% chance of picking first? The odds of finishing last with the likes of the Yotes minus their best D are so small. Odds only go down from there.

People keep bringing up 2 players...it's not gonna happen, Flames won't be picking #1 especially if the add a star dman. It's a no brainer if actually possible.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I agree that Iginla held the cards in that situation. Yes Feaster could have asked for a long list of teams in writing that he would agree to waive for and Iginla could have said no.

The Flames were committed to dealing with Iginla with as much respect as possible. And if it meant not extracting the most value possible, so be it.

Now IMO it's still on Feaster for agreeing to two worthless prospects in that trade with Pitt. I suspect he could have done a little better.

What happened would have been fair enough if Feaster had only extracted a commitment from Iggy to agree to a trade of a couple pre-approved acceptable teams, and then Feaster could go out and make the best deal possible.

OR Feaster could have simply negotiated the best deal with a team and then asked Iginla if that team was acceptable. I suspect if Boston was the only option Iginla would have said yes. In fact I know that since he ended up there.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dino7c

matter of opinion...a good GM gets a player to sign off on a few teams and then does the negotiating himself without the agent poking his nose around. Would Iggy honestly have turned down Boston if they said Boston was the only deal they would accept? Obviously not he signed there 4 months later. Iggy himself said he thought the offers were pretty similar...maybe Feaster should have acted like a GM and not let the player and agent do his job for him.

But Iggy held all the cards, and it's very unlikely he would in advance agree to a number of teams he would approve a trade to. Why would he? He wanted to see what his realistic choices were. If he agreed in advance, then the GM would choose where he was going to. Iggy, like all players, wanted to decide where he was going to.

Many seem to thing that Feaster simply forgot to get it in writing. It likely wasn't available in writing, why would a player make such a commitment in advance? There is no logical reason why he would do so.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by dino7c

matter of opinion...a good GM gets a player to sign off on a few teams and then does the negotiating himself without the agent poking his nose around. Would Iggy honestly have turned down Boston if they said Boston was the only deal they would accept? Obviously not he signed there 4 months later. Iggy himself said he thought the offers were pretty similar...maybe Feaster should have acted like a GM and not let the player and agent do his job for him.

No player with a full NMC/NTC is doing this.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

But Iggy held all the cards, and it's very unlikely he would in advance agree to a number of teams he would approve a trade to. Why would he? He wanted to see what his realistic choices were. If he agreed in advance, then the GM would choose where he was going to. Iggy, like all players, wanted to decide where he was going to.

Many seem to thing that Feaster simply forgot to get it in writing. It likely wasn't available in writing, why would a player make such a commitment in advance? There is no logical reason why he would do so.

There was also no obligation for the team to bring options to Iginla. The team was free to try to arrange a trade without his input, and then ask for a waiver.

[Knightslayer]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

There was also no obligation for the team to bring options to Iginla. The team was free to try to arrange a trade without his input, and then ask for a waiver.

Why would a team arrange a trade with a player that has a NTC especially one as important as Jarome Iginla was to this franchise without asking him to waive first? Would a team even listen if they haven't asked Iginla if he would even come? That scenario would never happen.