2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Gaudreau needs to be extended, there really is no if’s ands or buts IMO on that. If you want to be underwhelmed by a trade return look no further than what we’d receive for Gaudreau at this time.

Maybe I am misunderstanding your logic.

It sounds like you’re saying his (trade) value is low around the league, but the Flames absolutely need to extend him, NO MATTER WHAT!

Is there a max AAV and term you have in mind, remembering your opinion on how low his trade return would be?

Perhaps , it would be prudent to see if he can rebound this season.

Maybe their decision needs to be , give him their best offer if they see him playing up to his optimum level... and if not move him at the trade deadline.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Honestly Lindholm is captain material for this club IMO.

How much better can he get? That is an intriguing question. Would like to see more of him being a game-breaker, or occasionally carrying the team on his back. Does he have another level?

[Kipper_3434]

Originally Posted by timbit

Maybe I am misunderstanding your logic.

It sounds like you’re saying his (trade) value is low around the league, but the Flames absolutely need to extend him, NO MATTER WHAT!

Is there a max AAV and term you have in mind, remembering your opinion on how low his trade return would be?

Perhaps , it would be prudent to see if he can rebound this season.

Maybe their decision needs to be , give him their best offer if they see him playing up to his optimum level... and if not move him at the trade deadline.

Max contract 9m x 8 years is a walk away point for myself. Yes Johnny needs to be signed ....his value is low due to contract status and nothing else. We done here?

[Rollin22x]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Honestly Lindholm is captain material for this club IMO.

Based on what?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

LOL of course it’s all a matter of conjecture. I’m impressed with your confidence in saying there have been no opportunities to alter the core at FMV prices. Even the term “discounted” infers defensiveness. Flames players trade at a discount while the rest of the league does not.

The rest of the league? I’m sure there are others in the same boat. Buffalo, for example, has traded pieces at less than FMV and can’t move Eichel at all.

What is FMV for Gaudreau/Monahan/Tkachuk, given their respective contract and health issues? What I’m saying is I suspect FMV is a lot less than posters would be happy with.

[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by Rollin22x

Based on what?

He plays the right way, he's always in the right position defensively, he plays a solid 200ft game, he's a leader in the locker room. And when the coaches go over game tape they say Lindy leads by example. This is from people I know in the organization.

[FlamesAddiction]

A signed Gaudreau might have more value, but Gaudreau in an expiring contract is easier to trade if a rebuild does become unavoidable.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The rest of the league? I’m sure there are others in the same boat. Buffalo, for example, has traded pieces at less than FMV and can’t move Eichel at all.

What is FMV for Gaudreau/Monahan/Tkachuk, given their respective contract and health issues? What I’m saying is I suspect FMV is a lot less than posters would be happy with.

Well you’re the one saying Flames players trade at a discount. If the return isn’t as high as some CP posters would like, that’s not much of a reason to trot out the same core group of players.

I’ve said there has been opportunity to move players at their market value. Full stop.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

A signed Gaudreau might have more value, but Gaudreau in an expiring contract is easier to trade if a rebuild does become unavoidable.

Depends on his 5 team trade list. If he's put rebuilding teams on the list, it basically gives him a full no trade list, requiring his consent.

Plus, I doubt Calgary trades them if they are contending for a playoff spot, which seems inevitable in a very weak pacific division.

[Strange Brew]

I’m not too concerned about Gaudreau’s no trade. My guess is that he accepts a trade to a contender for 2 months since he picks his destination after that. He has been living out of a suitcase since arriving in Calgary so I don’t see that as a show stopper.

But I don’t see Flames being out of it at the deadline and I don’t see them trading Gaudreau if they are in the race. So he has a lot of leverage in this negotiation. Which is typically true of pending UFA’s. The Islanders survived losing Tavares for nothing.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Well you’re the one saying Flames players trade at a discount. If the return isn’t as high as some CP posters would like, that’s not much of a reason to trot out the same core group of players.

I’ve said there has been opportunity to move players at their market value. Full stop.

What is their market value and how do you know?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I’m not too concerned about Gaudreau’s no trade. My guess is that he accepts a trade to a contender for 2 months since he picks his destination after that. He has been living out of a suitcase since arriving in Calgary so I don’t see that as a show stopper.

But I don’t see Flames being out of it at the deadline and I don’t see them trading Gaudreau if they are in the race. So he has a lot of leverage in this negotiation. Which is typically true of pending UFA’s. The Islanders survived losing Tavares for nothing.

The point is not that he’s untradeable. The point is that his MNTC makes the price drop a lot.

FMV is what a willing buyer and a willing seller agree on. I just think it’s a lot lower than people think in the case of the three most commonly discussed core players.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by TOfan

What is their market value and how do you know?

Their market value is what other teams are willing to pay for them.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The point is not that he’s untradeable. The point is that his MNTC makes the price drop a lot.

FMV is what a willing buyer and a willing seller agree on. I just think it’s a lot lower than people think in the case of the three most commonly discussed core players.

My point is that his NTC doesn’t affect his market value much because if it came to it, I believe he’d accept a trade to a contender given his pending UFA status. This is not Iginla at the end of his career. But as I said, it’s likely moot. I don’t see the team trading him at this point.

I don’t get the relevance about what “people think”. But my frustration also lies in the fact that we got to this point and where the FMV of some of these players is lower than before. Season 8 of the current regime. I just can’t buy a laundry list of excuses as to why it was inevitable or unlucky we ended up here.

Anyway rant over. You and TOFan have the conviction to keep banging the drum supporting how we got here and I hope this season proves out that his patience was the right decision all along.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Their market value is what other teams are willing to pay for them.

Sure. Maybe I misunderstood where you are coming from.

It’s hard for any of us to know what a players market value is. Look at Sam Bennett. There were a lot of posters here who had thought the Flames would be lucky to get much more than a 3rd for him.

I would be hesitant to say what a team might pay for Monahan/Gaudreau/Tkachuk. I think GM’s take a much broader view than the stat line for the last two seasons.

[Rollin22x]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

He plays the right way, he's always in the right position defensively, he plays a solid 200ft game, he's a leader in the locker room. And when the coaches go over game tape they say Lindy leads by example. This is from people I know in the organization.

I did not hear about him being a leader in the locker room.
Thx

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The point is not that he’s untradeable. The point is that his MNTC makes the price drop a lot.

FMV is what a willing buyer and a willing seller agree on. I just think it’s a lot lower than people think in the case of the three most commonly discussed core players.

All it takes are 2 contenders to start a bidding war for him and the price would go up again. I wouldn’t worry about his trade value at all. Moving high priced players on long term deals is the real challenge.

If Treliving thinks that Gaudreau takes this team to a Cup eventually, then he has to re-sign him. If not, then re-signing him would not be a great move. I’m personally on the fence with Gaudreau. I don’t know if he is or isn’t the guy.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

All it takes are 2 contenders to start a bidding war for him and the price would go up again. I wouldn’t worry about his trade value at all. Moving high priced players on long term deals is the real challenge.

If Treliving thinks that Gaudreau takes this team to a Cup eventually, then he has to re-sign him. If not, then re-signing him would not be a great move. I’m personally on the fence with Gaudreau. I don’t know if he is or isn’t the guy.

If Tre didn’t think Johnny was a fit for this team then he would have traded him before his NMC kicks in. My biggest concern this off season has been what is going to happen to Johnny. I do not want the flames to get into a situation where if in a playoff spot come deadline, they keep him if not signed for a playoff push. I have heard Tre say before with other expiring contracts that getting full cap hits off the books , without trading said player, is a value in itself. Flames do not have a good prospect pool and cannot afford Johnny leaving for nothing. They better sign him before season starts or I’m going to be choked.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

If Treliving thinks that Gaudreau takes this team to a Cup eventually, then he has to re-sign him. If not, then re-signing him would not be a great move. I’m personally on the fence with Gaudreau. I don’t know if he is or isn’t the guy.

Doesn’t matter if he is or not, losing him for nothing is not an option

Without Gaudreau, this team doesn’t have enough offense to compete.

[djsFlames]

Need to extend JG or get a package that is the equivalent of two 1sts or more for him.

If Tre doesn't do either and he walks or goes for peanuts we'll have his ####ing head on a pike.