Friedman: Flames have begun extension talks with Gaudreau & Eichel speculation

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by talladega.25

Curious. At this stage in the game, one would think Buffalo would be all over the heavily proposed deal that included Monahan, Dube, Zary and 2022 1st.

Monahan, Zary, Pelletier, and 2022 1st is likely the deal the Flames offered and was refused.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Monahan, Zary, Pelletier, and 2022 1st is likely the deal the Flames offered and was refused.

Likely? You have no idea what might have been offered - if anything

[blender]

The speculation here on this topic is out of hand. We are taking things that were said here and only here and repeating them as facts, then speculating further about how our made-up fan dreams are being received in NHL front offices around the league and which GMs are smart and which are idiots and who needs to fired.

Is anyone else finding it painful to read?

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by VilleN

If the surgery doesn't go well and Eichel is no longer an elite center Buffalo may not be able to trade him at all... so they have incentive to move him sooner rather than later.

Hmmm...good point. Still - a huge risk for the acquiring team, so I just don't see someone doing it for the asking price without some kind of guarantee (yah - good luck with that....).

[Macindoc]

As others have mentioned, Monahan can’t be part of the package and would have to be traded separately. All of you who want Treliving fired for not making this trade yet, would you really be happy trading Zary, Pelletier, Lindholm, Mangiapane (the latter two in lieu of the 4th first and to make the cap work) and a likely lottery 1st for a player who would only be available for half the season, if he even ever played again? Because that is likely the only package Treliving could have offered that Buffalo would have accepted.

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Likely? You have no idea what might have been offered - if anything

You give that up for an early to mid twenties no injury history player unquestionably in the top ten of players and I’m not sure eichel is that. If Eichel bombs, and he will minimally for at least the first year, people will be begging for a screw up only like the Gilmour trade and you just threw out 4prime aged cost controlled assets and a forced a rebuild.

Too much risk for that price, get in the top five of a draft if your giving up that much. Same risk except you can trade a 21 year old.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Fan69

You give that up for an early to mid twenties no injury history player unquestionably in the top ten of players and I’m not sure eichel is that. If Eichel bombs, and he will minimally for at least the first year, people will be begging for a screw up only like the Gilmour trade and you just threw out 4prime aged cost controlled assets and a forced a rebuild.

Too much risk for that price, get in the top five of a draft if your giving up that much. Same risk except you can trade a 21 year old.

Eichel is Gilmour in this scenario.

Also, the risk of a forced rebuild? Hallelujah! Where do I sign up? It sure as hell would be refreshing to have an organizational direction other than the status quo of building ourselves into mediocrity and never winning any playoff series.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

As others have mentioned, Monahan can’t be part of the package and would have to be traded separately. All of you who want Treliving fired for not making this trade yet, would you really be happy trading Zary, Pelletier, Lindholm, Mangiapane (the latter two in lieu of the 4th first and to make the cap work) and a likely lottery 1st for a player who would only be available for half the season, if he even ever played again? Because that is likely the only package Treliving could have offered that Buffalo would have accepted.

More speculation. Nobody is saying we should include Lindholm and nobody has any idea what has been offered. I said he should be fired if he has not made an offer akin to the one I commented on.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

More speculation. Nobody is saying we should include Lindholm and nobody has any idea what has been offered. I said he should be fired if he has not made an offer akin to the one I commented on.

So what do you think Treliving could have offered that did not include a player that would have vetoed the trade, would have worked with the salary cap and would have been accepted? Because I can’t think of any other package that would work based on the cap situation and Buffalo’s demands. There’s a reason why no team has been able to complete a trade with Buffalo for Eichel, no NHL GM has been able to agree with Buffalo about what even constitutes a reasonable enough offer for the Sabres to even share Eichel’s relevant medical information with them.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by fleury

Each time I open this I scroll through to see if there was news since yesterday. There never is. Every possibility has been discussed endlessly. I'd vote to lock the thread but this is one of the few threads that are active and are remotely interesting, and that's not saying much.

Could get the Covid lynch mob thread rolling again.

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Eichel is Gilmour in this scenario.

Also, the risk of a forced rebuild? Hallelujah! Where do I sign up? It sure as hell would be refreshing to have an organizational direction other than the status quo of building ourselves into mediocrity and never winning any playoff series.

I say the chances of Eichel being leeman is far more probable. Also you start that rebuild with four less prime assets than you had just a year or two before and no way to get them back.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Eichel is Gilmour in this scenario.

Also, the risk of a forced rebuild? Hallelujah! Where do I sign up? It sure as hell would be refreshing to have an organizational direction other than the status quo of building ourselves into mediocrity and never winning any playoff series.

This isn’t the rebuild you’re looking for. Giving up four years of your top young assets is NOT the way to start a rebuild. Better to let the current team fail and trade away everyone over 25 at the TDL for picks and overpaid players on expiring contracts.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

This isn’t the rebuild you’re looking for. Giving up four years of your top young assets is NOT the way to start a rebuild. Better to let the current team fail and trade away everyone over 25 at the TDL for picks and overpaid players on expiring contracts.

They won’t do that though. We all know they won’t. They’ll hold onto players and battle for a playoff spot until the end because this team isn’t going to be out of the playoff picture at the deadline.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Likely? You have no idea what might have been offered - if anything

That was something I had heard from someone that wanted to remain anonymous but you are right I personally have no idea what may have been offered seeing I've never been in the room with the GM. Your reaction is exactly why I never posted it before.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Monahan, Zary, Pelletier, and 2022 1st is likely the deal the Flames offered and was refused.

If they rejected this and want more you run away quickly….

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

If they rejected this and want more you run away quickly….

Really though where's the blue chip prospect in that offer? Monahan is ideally a 2nd line center. Zary and Palletier are regarded as middle 6 prospects. The 1st round pick even if the Flames miss the playoffs is likely in the range of their pick this year. If you are the Sabres GM are you going to trade your franchise player for a handful of players, none of who may even have first line potential? You can see why a deal hasn't been made if this is the offers they have received.

From the Flames point of view it totally depletes their prospect cupboard for a player that's got some major injury question marks. Personally the moment I heard that offer I have been totally off the bandwagon of acquiring the player. I just don't think 4/5 years of Eichel are worth the long term ramifications of a trade like this.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

That was something I had heard from someone that wanted to remain anonymous but you are right I personally have no idea what may have been offered seeing I've never been in the room with the GM. Your reaction is exactly why I never posted it before.

Then post it as such

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Fan69

I say the chances of Eichel being leeman is far more probable. Also you start that rebuild with four less prime assets than you had just a year or two before and no way to get them back.

Jesus, Jack Eichel is not going to turn into Gary Leeman. This place is getting wonky.

[Canada 02]

I think Eichel is more likely to be Gary Roberts who had his neck procedure, then returned from retirement and played at a very high level for 700+ games over 11 seasons

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Then post it as such

Why? So I can get hounded from posters wanting proof and all? I've been around this site for a while and am not a rumor monger. The only times I ever said anything here was legit like breaking the news Tangs wanted out in his first tenure with the Flames. I said "likely" in my initial post which is fine with me. If you don't like it then too bad. I already have a dad thanks.