2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

It would have to be a three way deal, because I don’t see San José accepting Monahan in return.

I was just doing a lineup with Hertl hypothetically there, maybe at 50% retention. But I guess if we were to pony up for an in-division two way star center, it’s probably going to only cost slightly less than eichel when all is said and done.

Where would Monahan get moved? Montreal? San José takes retention from Monahan so the Habs can fit him in?

There’s the problem. I don’t know who would want Monahan

[SnipeShow]

Monahan has plenty of value and more teams would probably take him than you would think. While having some poor play down the stretch this passed year (and some in the past) it's clear he still adds value. Even just watching AC's highlight reels for Lindholm I kept finding myself noticing how many were related to a great play or shot from Mony to make it the highlight it was. I realize some will say highlights are pretty biased view on a player but to have as many highlights or contribution to other's highlights as Mony does, still requires him to be a quality player.

Too many "he's crap" takes around here. He's no Elite 1C but he's still a 1C/2C that plays in the tough areas and therefore gets injured but generally puts up decent points despite that.

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[Monahammer]

^ I was going to suggest AC make a Monahan highlight video, but the Johnny and Lindy ones were already essentially that.

[Vinny01]

I feel like the Sens are a great landing spot for Monahan and he would be a valuable add to that young squad. We have seen Dorian overpay for veteran centers in the past (see Zibenijad+2nd for Brassard)

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I feel like the Sens are a great landing spot for Monahan and he would be a valuable add to that young squad. We have seen Dorian overpay for veteran centers in the past (see Zibenijad+2nd for Brassard)

Well if they make the mistake that all Canadian teams seem to - they will try to accelerate their re-build and kick open their contention window.
But to this point I don't see strong signals that they are ready to do that yet.

So doubtful there is a fit there now.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Well if they make the mistake that all Canadian teams seem to - they will try to accelerate their re-build and kick open their contention window.
But to this point I don't see strong signals that they are ready to do that yet.

So doubtful there is a fit there now.

A lot of talk out of Ottawa they are looking for a proven top 6 forward. They are also trying to convince Brady Tkachuk to sign long term so kicking that window open early may be their key to signing him long term?

[868904]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Hertl has an NTC and is a UFA after this season, so he best not be expensive. Certainly wouldn't mind adding him, and IIRC we have been linked to him in the past... though it may have been through Eklund lol.

Adding Hertl instead of Eichel would be a great move. You assume the cost would be significantly less.

If Treliving could acquire Hertl and keep the core or move Monahan for good future pieces, he'd get a B from me for his off season moves.

Doubt Hertl would waive to come to Calgary though and I think the Sharks will move Kane or just sit him out until he is willing to waive his NTC, rather than move other players.

[Knightslayer]

Hertl is a clone of Monahan. Not sure why you'd wanna give up Monahan and then go out and get another inconsistent soft forward who has a hard time in his own end.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by 868904

Adding Hertl instead of Eichel would be a great move. You assume the cost would be significantly less.

If Treliving could acquire Hertl and keep the core or move Monahan for good future pieces, he'd get a B from me for his off season moves.

Doubt Hertl would waive to come to Calgary though and I think the Sharks will move Kane or just sit him out until he is willing to waive his NTC, rather than move other players.

I doubt there are many if any teams wanting to add Kane

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

Hertl is a clone of Monahan. Not sure why you'd wanna give up Monahan and then go out and get another inconsistent soft forward who has a hard time in his own end.

Hertl is good in his own end according to the chart in this thread. And he’s been pretty consistent in the last 3 years. He’s not especially fast but he’s faster than Monahan. And unlike Monahan, no injury concern.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

Hertl is a clone of Monahan. Not sure why you'd wanna give up Monahan and then go out and get another inconsistent soft forward who has a hard time in his own end.

Is he really that inconsistent? I will admit to not watching the Sharks at all last season. His underlying numbers tell a completely different story in his own end. I thought he became quite a good two way center. Then again I'm going off of highlights and spreadsheets.

[868904]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

I doubt there are many if any teams wanting to add Kane

No argument there, Sharks will have to bite the bullet and package a sweetener to another team, likely the Coyotes, to keep the rest of their roster from revolting.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

Hertl is a clone of Monahan. Not sure why you'd wanna give up Monahan and then go out and get another inconsistent soft forward who has a hard time in his own end.

Wait.... didn't I read in this same thread that Hertl is one of the best two way centers in the league?

So which is it lol.

[djsFlames]

Monahan is one of those players that I would be wary of excelling elsewhere on a good team if he were dealt. Many teams would be very happy they picked him up (as a complementary piece, that is).

Which is why it would be ideal to move him in the package to Buffalo because that club is a talent black hole.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Goriders

There’s the problem. I don’t know who would want Monahan

Hertl

323 points in 503 games and 27...amazing player big fish on the market if only we had the assets!

Monahan
439 points in 591 games and 26...yeah we couldn't give the guy away

CP is an embarrassment sometimes

[bax]

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

Hertl is a clone of Monahan. Not sure why you'd wanna give up Monahan and then go out and get another inconsistent soft forward who has a hard time in his own end.

Tell me you haven’t watched Hertl play without telling me you haven’t watched Hertl play

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Hertl

323 points in 503 games and 27...amazing player big fish on the market if only we had the assets!

Monahan
439 points in 591 games and 26...yeah we couldn't give the guy away

CP is an embarrassment sometimes

Monahan went from 82pts to a 56pt pace, to a 46pt pace in 3 years. He brings very little outside of offense so forgive me if I don’t buy your lazy analysis of career points. Hertl is a far better 2 way player so not everything is about points therefore you might want to consider walking back that whole “you guys should be embarrassed” comments

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Monahan is one of those players that I would be wary of excelling elsewhere on a good team if he were dealt. Many teams would be very happy they picked him up (as a complementary piece, that is).

Which is why it would be ideal to move him in the package to Buffalo because that club is a talent black hole.

We can't move him to Buffalo because:
1. He's not the kind of asset Buffalo is looking for in a rebuild, and
2. His NTC would likely include Buffalo.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Hertl

323 points in 503 games and 27...amazing player big fish on the market if only we had the assets!

Monahan
439 points in 591 games and 26...yeah we couldn't give the guy away

CP is an embarrassment sometimes

If Monny didn’t have a serious health issue, it would be a different story. If he proves himself healthy, he value is back.

It’s not like a Monny had an injury that obviously appears correctable with surgery. He seems to have had a number of problems, including hip, hernia, groin, thumb, and wrists(2-3 times).

The question is to what extent these constant injuries have taken a toll on his body. Will he ever be the same player again?

The Flames need to wait and see, or they are simply selling very low.


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[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by SnipeShow

Monahan has plenty of value and more teams would probably take him than you would think. While having some poor play down the stretch this passed year (and some in the past) it's clear he still adds value. Even just watching AC's highlight reels for Lindholm I kept finding myself noticing how many were related to a great play or shot from Mony to make it the highlight it was. I realize some will say highlights are pretty biased view on a player but to have as many highlights or contribution to other's highlights as Mony does, still requires him to be a quality player.

Too many "he's crap" takes around here. He's no Elite 1C but he's still a 1C/2C that plays in the tough areas and therefore gets injured but generally puts up decent points despite that.

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He’s been on the market for over a year now. Considering how rarely #1/2 Cs become available, if the rest of the league thought as highly of him as you do, another GM would have made a decent offer to Treliving by now.

Monahan is good at sniping and average to poor at all the other things expected of an NHL centre. There was in interview with a director of player of personal for another team a year or so ago where he said Monahan is an extremely difficult player to evaluate because he doesn’t do most of the things NHL centres are expected to do - gaining entry, distributing the puck, back-checking, supporting the D down low.

Pre-swoon Monahan had less value than fans around here think because he was one-dimensional. Now that he isn’t even potting goals at the rate he used to, he’s worth even less. He’s basically Mike Hoffman with health question marks.