Friedman: Flames have begun extension talks with Gaudreau & Eichel speculation

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

He may waive. Russians like playing in Buffalo - big ethnic Russian community there.

To Buffalo:

Tarasenko
Neighbours
Zary
Calgary 2022 1st

To St Louis

Tkachuk
Andersson

To Calgary

Eichel
Parayko

Cap hits work

That’s terrible my goodness…….. Tkachuk, Andersson, Zary and 1st for Eichel and Parayko in final year of his contract. Gross overpay.

[Canada 02]

Parayko had serious back issues last season; no certainty he comes back to form

or all spinal injuries come to Calgary

[kehatch]

It is ironic some posters are taking the 'your crazy, I am not' stance against people advocating for Eichel.

The Flames haven't won with this core in the 7ish seasons we have had them together. Even the GM has indicated the need for a change, and his job is on the line if he doesn't do something. Part of that is the need for an elite 1C. Meanwhile we have several 1R equivalent assets and a bit of cap space, and the media chatter has consistently had the Flames in the mix for Eichel.

I think the arguments against acquiring him are fair. I also think its fair to suggest the odds are against Calgary getting him. But its also fair to advocate for acquiring the player, and its reasonable to think Calgary is squarely in the mix.

Personally, I think the Flames should take the chance. He isn't the one piece we need to compete for a cup, but he is the hardest piece to acquire. You don't get these guys outside of a draft lottery win very often. I appreciate the risk, but their is a risk regardless of the direction we go.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by chedder

My humble opinion is that the only way we get Eichel is if there's a three way trade involving Tkachuk. I don't think our gm has the stones to pull off such a deal.

He'll likely do nothing this year with Mathew, pay him his 9 mill next year then watch him walk the year after. I really hope he proves me wrong.

I'm also afraid he won't get a deal done with Johnny and will trade him for peanuts at the deadline.

Doesn’t have the stones? What is this opinion based on?

Whether a move has worked out or not, I don’t think Treliving has been timid. He has made several transactions be it trades or UFA signings that would suggest he’s more than willing to take a risk.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by chedder

My humble opinion is that the only way we get Eichel is if there's a three way trade involving Tkachuk. I don't think our gm has the stones to pull off such a deal.

Originally Posted by TOfan

Doesn’t have the stones? What is this opinion based on?

[agulati]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Doesn’t have the stones? What is this opinion based on?

Michael Stone is a UFA still.

We missed out on Mark Stone because Tre didn’t want to give up Valimaki (plus the whole will be want to re-sign in Calgary thing)

[chedder]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Doesn’t have the stones? What is this opinion based on?

Whether a move has worked out or not, I don’t think Treliving has been timid. He has made several transactions be it trades or UFA signings that would suggest he’s more than willing to take a risk.

Stones may not have been the correct word. I just think he is unwilling to actually do something that will truly shake up this team.

I don't know if he is overvaluing this core or what but it's been three years since the Colorado whipping that showed this team can't compete and there's been no meaningful change.

Intentions mean nothing in this business. I don't care if someone was almost traded here or if we almost signed someone.

We currently have an unextended Gaudreau and a potentially disgruntled Tkachuk going into the season along with no first line right wing.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by agulati

Michael Stone is a UFA still.

We missed out on Mark Stone because Tre didn’t want to give up Valimaki (plus the whole will be want to re-sign in Calgary thing)

Yeah, sure. There’s a difference between willing to take risk and being reckless though.

Are you suggesting Treliving should have made the Stone trade? If Treliving had traded Valimaki + for Stone and lost the player in the offseason would have been been a shortsighted move, in my opinion. Personally, I agree with the Flames in this case. With no agreement or intention from Stone to sign in Calgary, that’s a move you can’t make. If it was Kylington + for Stone as a rental, sure (depending on the +). Saying ‘no’ is an attribute you probably want in a GM

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by chedder

Stones may not have been the correct word. I just think he is unwilling to actually do something that will truly shake up this team.

I don't know if he is overvaluing this core or what but it's been three years since the Colorado whipping that showed this team can't compete and there's been no meaningful change.

Intentions mean nothing in this business. I don't care if someone was almost traded here or if we almost signed someone.

We currently have an unextended Gaudreau and a potentially disgruntled Tkachuk going into the season along with no first line right wing.

I see it similar but different.

I think he is more than willing to change things up, he just isnt willing to do it without getting the deal he wants. In other words, no change just for the sake of it.

That is my problem with things thus far. IMO he didnt have to make a major blockbuster among the core, but did need to at least change it up. Add some juice to the room/shake things up/get a different look among the leadership. Much like what the Flyers accomplished.

Instead i get the feeling if it wasnt a major coup or obvious "win" in a trade, he isn't going to do anything at all beyond what has happened (which to be fair is 4 out of 18 skaters are going to be new at minimum) but just not among the top guys.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by chedder

Stones may not have been the correct word. I just think he is unwilling to actually do something that will truly shake up this team.

I don't know if he is overvaluing this core or what but it's been three years since the Colorado whipping that showed this team can't compete and there's been no meaningful change.

Intentions mean nothing in this business. I don't care if someone was almost traded here or if we almost signed someone.

We currently have an unextended Gaudreau and a potentially disgruntled Tkachuk going into the season along with no first line right wing.

I don’t agree with this at all, you have to have willing trade partners. And giving away key assets and future draft capital just for the sake of making a trade is poor management.

[Fan in Exile]

Originally Posted by agulati

Michael Stone is a UFA still.

We missed out on Mark Stone because Tre didn’t want to give up Valimaki (plus the whole will be want to re-sign in Calgary thing)

Solid fact-based proof that Treliving doesn't have the Stones.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

I don’t agree with this at all, you have to have willing trade partners. And giving away key assets and future draft capital just for the sake of making a trade is poor management.

Yet its also poor management, to just add depth players and go year to year with nothing more than a bubble team.

He has to find a way to make the team better, this offseason is not great.

Of course that does not mean a terrible trade etc...

However he has to be creative so far this is his weakness.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Yeah, sure. There’s a difference between willing to take risk and being reckless though.

Are you suggesting Treliving should have made the Stone trade? If Treliving had traded Valimaki + for Stone and lost the player in the offseason would have been been a shortsighted move, in my opinion. Personally, I agree with the Flames in this case. With no agreement or intention from Stone to sign in Calgary, that’s a move you can’t make. If it was Kylington + for Stone as a rental, sure (depending on the +). Saying ‘no’ is an attribute you probably want in a GM

There is also a difference between making a joke and being serious, too. No, I don’t think he was suggesting that Tre should have made that trade at all, which would have been serious. The way I read it, he was making a little joke.

Let me explain the joke to you

- Somebody mentions Tre not having the stones. Now this meaning of the stones does refer to the willingness to take risk, which you mention

- The guy responded, however, with a funny little comment about Michael and Mark Stone (a different use of the same word, in proper form, “the Stones”).

- One of the Stone brothers was with the organization previously, the other was rumoured to be sought after by the organization. Neither of them is with the organization now.

- Hence, Treliving does not have “the Stones”

I hope that helps.

[direwolf]

Good grief, I hope something happens soon just so this thread can die.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by direwolf

Good grief, I hope something happens soon just so this thread can die.

Like a comedian with an audience who doesn’t like his jokes

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

That’s terrible my goodness…….. Tkachuk, Andersson, Zary and 1st for Eichel and Parayko in final year of his contract. Gross overpay.

Are you kidding?

A player with a $9M QO who is going to be a Blue in 24 months anyway.

Our 3rd or 4th best D.

A 1st round pick who’s never player a game for us.

A 1st next week year.

For:

A #1C, and a Cup-winning top-4 D.

It’s expensive. It wouldn’t be one of the top 10 overpays suggested in this thread, never mind in real life.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Are you kidding?

A player with a $9M QO who is going to be a Blue in 12 months anyway.

Our 3rd or 4th best D.

A 1st round pick who’s never player a game for us.

A 1st next week year.

For:

A #1C, and a Cup-winning top-4 D.

It’s expensive. It wouldn’t be one of the top 10 overpays suggested in this thread, never mind in real life.

Pretty safe to say Parayko has regressed pretty hard from the Stanley Cup year. Eichel misses minimum half the season which likely means the 2022 1st is a lottery pick. Parayko walks after one year, so we are getting Eichel for Tkachuk, Andersson, Zary, and 2022 1st. Ken Holland is that you?

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

Pretty safe to say Parayko has regressed pretty hard from the Stanley Cup year. Eichel misses minimum half the season which likely means the 2022 1st is a lottery pick. Parayko walks after one year, so we are getting Eichel for Tkachuk, Andersson, Zary, and 2022 1st. Ken Holland is that you?

Then I’ll add the caveat to my proposal: Assuming Parayko is healthy and the Flames are confident they can sign him to an extension.

IMHO he would be a significant upgrade on Andersson.

But anyway, let’s hear your pitch.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

Pretty safe to say Parayko has regressed pretty hard from the Stanley Cup year. Eichel misses minimum half the season which likely means the 2022 1st is a lottery pick. Parayko walks after one year, so we are getting Eichel for Tkachuk, Andersson, Zary, and 2022 1st. Ken Holland is that you?

This team picked 13th overall last year - why do you think running it back sans Andersson and Tkachuk turns them into a lottery team?

They have good goaltending and reasonable NHL depth throughout the lineup. They’re not world beaters without Eichel in the lineup, but they should be more than able to hang around between 8-11th (which they do every year regardless) for three months while Jack recovers.

Two roster players and two prospects for a #1C and a top-4 D is not an unacceptable loss.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Then I’ll add the caveat to my proposal: Assuming Parayko is healthy and the Flames are confident they can sign him to an extension.

IMHO he would be a significant upgrade on Andersson.

But anyway, let’s hear your pitch.

Is Parayko not from Alberta? Even if he’s from Edmonton, if the Flames had the cap space, I don’t think re-signing him would be difficult or unlikely.