The Legend of Sam Bennett

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

McBennett has played 15 games as a Panther...... 15 GAMES!!!

and he kinda cost the Panthers the series against the Lightning....

Bennett actually was one of the reasons why the Panthers gave Tampa fits more than any other team in the playoffs. Now that contract seems risky for sure but I guess Q knows what he can get out of Sam or else they wouldn't have done it. But to undermine how good he was for the Panthers is pretty ridiculous at this point.

[FlamesAddiction]

My only beef with the trade is that if we kept him, we could have dangled him as expansion bait and avoided losing Gio.

Yeah, this assumes that Seattle would have taken Bennett, but I strongly feel they would have if he was available.

My belief is that the the trade can be looked at as Bennett to Florida and Gio to Seattle, for Heineman and a 2nd round pick. It will be interesting to see if Seattle flip Gio at the deadline for a better return than what we got for Bennett and what if anything, we do to use the cap space created by losing Gio.

From an asset management perspective overall, this doesn't look good, but there are still some moving parts to really see how it settles.

I could be wrong of course, and maybe Seattle would still have taken Gio. It's impossible to know for sure, but I personally don't believe it.

[kehatch]

I honestly don't know how Bennett will do in Florida over the long run. But I do know Calgary has been one of the worst coached teams in the NHL during Bennett's tenure, and that he was starting to look good under Sutter. His run didn't start when he got traded. He was already on a PPG pace over his last 6 games in Calgary, seemed happy under Sutter, and Sutter seemed to like him.

If the Flames didn't start the season with Ward and instead had a coach trying to capitalize on how Bennett had finished the previous season would he still be a Flame?

If Bennett falters in Florida we have our answer. But if he does well there will be rightfully a lot of second guessing on how he was handled in Calgary.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

^ Lol. Uh huh, they were going to win.

He took multiple dumb penalties and a dumb suspension...imagine not being able to admit that

15 games

James Neal had 19 goals in 55 games with Edmonton and bought out the next season. To sit here and pat yourself on the back because he played well for 15 games is ridiculous.

I think some of you also need to watch some highlights from his last few games in Calgary and his 15 with the Panthers. Half his points were off a skate or off an ass ect. IMO not sustainable. His last goal in Calgary he shot the puck 3 feet wide and the goalie scored on himself.

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

My only beef with the trade is that if we kept him, we could have dangled him as expansion bait and avoided losing Gio.

Yeah, this assumes that Seattle would have taken Bennett, but I strongly feel they would have if he was available.

My belief is that the the trade can be looked at as Bennett to Florida and Gio to Seattle, for Heineman and a 2nd round pick. It will be interesting to see if Seattle flip Gio at the deadline for a better return than what we got for Bennett and what if anything, we do to use the cap space created by losing Gio.

From an asset management perspective overall, this doesn't look good, but there are still some moving parts to really see how it settles.

I could be wrong of course, and maybe Seattle would still have taken Gio. It's impossible to know for sure, but I personally don't believe it.

I'll take 2 second round picks and all that cap space instead of Gio.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Bennett actually was one of the reasons why the Panthers gave Tampa fits more than any other team in the playoffs. Now that contract seems risky for sure but I guess Q knows what he can get out of Sam or else they wouldn't have done it. But to undermine how good he was for the Panthers is pretty ridiculous at this point.

Pathers have the worst contact in the NHL so "they wouldn't have done it if they weren't sure" doesn't really mean much. They think he will do it...let's see though

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I'll take 2 second round picks and all that cap space instead of Gio.

Especially at his age

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I'll take 2 second round picks and all that cap space instead of Gio.

As long as the space is used for something. Otherwise, what it the value, except to the owners of course.

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by kehatch

I honestly don't know how Bennett will do in Florida over the long run. But I do know Calgary has been one of the worst coached teams in the NHL during Bennett's tenure, and that he was starting to look good under Sutter. His run didn't start when he got traded. He was already on a PPG pace over his last 6 games in Calgary, seemed happy under Sutter, and Sutter seemed to like him.

If the Flames didn't start the season with Ward and instead had a coach trying to capitalize on how Bennett had finished the previous season would he still be a Flame?

If Bennett falters in Florida we have our answer. But if he does well there will be rightfully a lot of second guessing on how he was handled in Calgary.

Far as I am concerned those questions have been front and Center for two years.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

As long as the space is used for something. Otherwise, what it the value, except to the owners of course.

Do you really expect the Flames to be 6.75 under the cap? Some of it is already used

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

As long as the space is used for something. Otherwise, what it the value, except to the owners of course.

Ok, ill take 2 second round picks instead of Gio. Even after the Bennett trade, if the Flames would have traded a 2nd to protect Gio, it would have been a mistake. It sucks they lost him for nothing but I'd rather lose him for nothing instead of giving up something to keep him and lose something else. The Flames D is worse without him but that's not because he was the best ever, its because they have no one to take over his spot as #1. They'll be worse without him but they weren't that good with him and the core change will be good for the team moving forward.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by dino7c

He took multiple dumb penalties and a dumb suspension...imagine not being able to admit that

15 games

James Neal had 19 goals in 55 games with Edmonton and bought out the next season. To sit here and pat yourself on the back because he played well for 15 games is ridiculous.

I think some of you also need to watch some highlights from his last few games in Calgary and his 15 with the Panthers. Half his points were off a skate or off an ass ect. IMO not sustainable. His last goal in Calgary he shot the puck 3 feet wide and the goalie scored on himself.

Sun is down but here is my shadow. What on earth are you on about now?

Every penalty Bennett took is on the record as is his suspension. No, I can’t imagine not admitting that they exist

And we agree. He is not going to sustain the 1.5 point per game pace he had

Oh yeah. We also agree that James Neal is awful.

We have so much in common

[edslunch]

Interesting he mentioned not just a coach who believed in him but also a GM. Probably just referring to being acquired.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Pathers have the worst contact in the NHL so "they wouldn't have done it if they weren't sure" doesn't really mean much. They think he will do it...let's see though

Signed by Tallon not Zito.


Zito has been nothing short of amazing so far but Bennett's deal is probably the most risky he's made. But he's been hitting nothing but homeruns so far so I guess I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Sun is down but here is my shadow. What on earth are you on about now?

Every penalty Bennett took is on the record as is his suspension. No, I can’t imagine not admitting that they exist

And we agree. He is not going to sustain the 1.5 point per game pace he had

Oh yeah. We also agree that James Neal is awful.

We have so much in common

Funny how you can reply to my posts but I am a shadow somehow when I reply to yours? You are the fanboy that would constantly say Bennett was the best Flame on the ice nearly every game when he almost never was. Sorry but you just might be biased. Maybe it's the moustache?

I will quote you when I want to

[kehatch]

I don't get the Bennett contract either. If they signed a 1 year contract and Bennett did well, I can't see him jumping ship to another team. So the only real value is if he overlays 4.3 million in which case you have a bit of a bargain for 3 seasons, but I don't see him turning into a 6 million dollar C.

I mean I know they want him to feel that they believe in him after his time in Calgary. And I am sure that was the motivation behind the term. But that's a hefty risk to take to generate some feel goods in a player.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Funny how you can reply to my posts but I am a shadow somehow when I reply to yours? You are the fanboy that would constantly say Bennett was the best Flame on the ice nearly every game when he almost never was. Sorry but you just might be biased. Maybe it's the moustache?

I will quote you when I want to

Why make up this nonsense? You are free to make a fool of yourself all you like

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Signed by Tallon not Zito.


Zito has been nothing short of amazing so far but Bennett's deal is probably the most risky he's made. But he's been hitting nothing but homeruns so far so I guess I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

Bennett’s stint in Calgary may not have produced the results he hoped for, but the experience primed him for joining the Panthers. He supplanted Alex Wennberg as Florida’s No. 2 center upon arriving.

Bennett figures to remain where he finished at season’s end, cementing the Cats up the middle with Aleksander Barkov, Noel Acciari and prospect Anton Lundell. Should Florida find itself with a glut of centers or in a pinch on the wing, Bennett is “comfortable” with skating to the outside as well.

Yet no mention of acquiring Reinhart, or the impact it will have on Bennett’s role. Play him on the 3rd line and they’ve overpaid for a replacement level player who plays with an edge frequently bringing dumb and negative consequences.

Typical Hockey News trash with weak minded takes to stir rage in the Canadian Market for clicks.

Looks like it’s working.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Do you really expect the Flames to be 6.75 under the cap? Some of it is already used

PROJECTED CAP SPACE Tooltip : $6,125,000

Dube will eat up a small portion of that, but the way thinks are looking, we will be about $5,000,000 under the cap when the season opens.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Why make up this nonsense? You are free to make a fool of yourself all you like

hey look its my shadow posting again...why you always quote me? I don't even have a moustache (see how easy and lame that is?)

You were always one of the biggest Bennett boosters when he sucked in Calgary...we have post history you know don't lie

What do you think of Duclair? he also looked awesome on that line...Its not quite McDavid level but playing with those guys makes an average player look pretty darn good

All I am saying is I wouldn't go giving I told you so's after 15 games. Like I said James Neal was the leading goal scorer in the NHL after 15 in Edmonton and a year later his career is likely over

you get so defensive when anyone disagrees about Sam Bennet. 40-50 points while cutting down the dumb penalties and its a fair contract, anything less...especially in that role isn't very good. Lets give it at least a season before all the bragging and making excuses for dumb penalties.

When you lead your team in penalty minutes (not for fighting) and have a suspension in a playoff series you certainly cost your team to some degree no matter how many excuses you want to make. I suppose you defend Kadri because they weren't going to win anyway?