2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Ryan will likely play 15+ minutes as the Oilers' 3C, and his production on a per-minute basis last year was stellar, despite centering such names as Ritchie, Rinaldo, Nordstrom, and Simon.

Your downplaying of him being a quality player reeks of insecurity.

He is nothing special...if he was such a quality player he wouldn't be playing for peanuts in Edmonton.

If he wasn't a former Flame we wouldn't even be talking about him as an upgrade. His numbers are similar to Chaisson.

All this Oilers hype but not one person is willing to bet they actually do better this season. Wonder why.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Brad Marsh

^^^Yes, that's exactly what I'm trying to say.....it's a fairly significant upgrade overall.

Regardless, here's one from today: https://clutchpoints.com/sabres-news...ising-suitors/

Mike Futa is quoted in the article:



Not sure if it's new news or not, but saw it today, and it's been quiet lately, so thought I'd throw it on here. Apparently still a possibility......

The longer it takes I feel like the less chance we have. Seems like Buffalo is waiting for one of the other teams to include a better blue chip prospect.

I still give us about a 10% shot though, which in Flames land for a player like Eichel is very exciting.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Brad Marsh

^^^Yes, that's exactly what I'm trying to say.....it's a fairly significant upgrade overall.

Regardless, here's one from today: https://clutchpoints.com/sabres-news...ising-suitors/

Mike Futa is quoted in the article:



Not sure if it's new news or not, but saw it today, and it's been quiet lately, so thought I'd throw it on here. Apparently still a possibility......

With the Flames this week announcing the re-signings of a couple of their players, I'm thinking they're more or less out of the running and will look to the plan b options. I don't think the signing announcements were a coincidence. Buffalo must have a deal they're comfortable to go back on if they're holding on this long, and I thought the d-day was a month ago. Sounds like they're trying to squeeze out more, but I'm sure they have a deal with probably Anaheim to go through with if there aren't any others on the table. Frankly I can't even picture Eichel with a Duck jersey. Just seems odd.

[YourMother]

Originally Posted by fleury

With the Flames this week announcing the re-signings of a couple of their players, I'm thinking they're more or less out of the running and will look to the plan b options. I don't think the signing announcements were a coincidence. Buffalo must have a deal they're comfortable to go back on if they're holding on this long, and I thought the d-day was a month ago. Sounds like they're trying to squeeze out more, but I'm sure they have a deal with probably Anaheim to go through with if there aren't any others on the table. Frankly I can't even picture Eichel with a Duck jersey. Just seems odd.

They signed players that they were going to sign no matter what. I don’t see how these signings would be related at all.

[Pickle Juice]

Originally Posted by fleury

With the Flames this week announcing the re-signings of a couple of their players, I'm thinking they're more or less out of the running and will look to the plan b options. I don't think the signing announcements were a coincidence. Buffalo must have a deal they're comfortable to go back on if they're holding on this long, and I thought the d-day was a month ago. Sounds like they're trying to squeeze out more, but I'm sure they have a deal with probably Anaheim to go through with if there aren't any others on the table. Frankly I can't even picture Eichel with a Duck jersey. Just seems odd.

Also the fact that Dube remains unsigned, which I imagine would be part of the trade if it were to happen! I think we are still very much still in it.

[UKflames]

I am confused by the Eichel situation, because the longer it goes on the less time any buying team has for the surgery (if needed) before the start of the season, so he probably wont be in the line up to start the season. Would this not reduce the price somehow?

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by UKflames

I am confused by the Eichel situation, because the longer it goes on the less time any buying team has for the surgery (if needed) before the start of the season, so he probably wont be in the line up to start the season. Would this not reduce the price somehow?

It's eliminating teams available to trade for him this year, but from what I've read, Buffalo is comfortable with keeping Eichel on their roster for as long as it takes. They still have him on contract for quite some time, even though his side has expressed they want a trade.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Brad Marsh

Not sure if you're serious??

Ryan+Hyman+Foegele are so much better than Chiasson+Neil+Khaira

Not even close really. Swapping out marginal, healthy scratch-caliber guys for legitimately good NHL players is a significant upgrade on forward, IMO.

Only if it helps the team. And you are completely missing my point in that regard. Which is Hyman-McDavid-Draisaitl will score the same and defend the same as Kassian-McDavid-Draisaitl. Hyman is obviously a better player than Kassian but so what? There’s only one puck among the three players.

Ryan is better than what they had in the bottom six before. But he’s not replacing Neal, Khaira or Chiasson. Because they were wingers. He’s replacing Kahn, and the margin isn’t as great there. And if the top centres are McDavid and RNH, they are going to end up with Ryan as a 3C, and that’s too much ice for him IMO. Foegele is an upgrade on Chiasson, I suppose, but it’s marginal according to their counting stats (heck, even compared to Neal’s).

[dissentowner]

Who cares if the Oilers improved their forward group. They have an aging Mike Smith in net who always has a bad season following a good one and a defence that might be the worst in the NHL at keeping pucks out of the net. The Oilers are going to score a lot of goals but they are going to give up even more.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Who cares if the Oilers improved their forward group. They have an aging Mike Smith in net who always has a bad season following a good one and a defence that might be the worst in the NHL at keeping pucks out of the net. The Oilers are going to score a lot of goals but they are going to give up even more.

Yup. Was there actually a debate? If so, lol.

[dino7c]

the exact quote was

"fact is the Oilers are better"

That is what I disagreed with...I am willing to bet they are worse. All the "I hate to say it but blah blah blah" guys always talk a big game.

Yet when it comes right down to it nobody has been willing to bet that the Oilers have a better points % this season...must really think they improved.

The fact they improved their strength and their weaknesses got worse is not a recipe for success IMO. McDavid will have less PPG to despite the major top line upgrade too.

best part is the Oilers are capped out for years, this season is the best they will get. All the fears of not just how but how many cups with McDavid are gone IMO.

[Jason14h]

Typical Flames fans - More worried about debating if the Oilers got better or worst then about our own team and the rest of the league

Who cares what the Oilers did. And who cares if they are better then us. The point it to win the cup, not be better/have a better off season then one of the worst franchises over the last 20 years.

If we held our own team more accountable instead of just caring about being better then the sludge up north maybe we wouldn't be in this position in the first place.

(Not that I really think fans can influence anything - But I do think some moves BT makes is to block the Oilers - Hamonik - More then having his own team building vision)

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by dino7c

the exact quote was

"fact is the Oilers are better"

That is what I disagreed with...I am willing to bet they are worse. All the "I hate to say it but blah blah blah" guys always talk a big game.

Yet when it comes right down to it nobody has been willing to bet that the Oilers have a better points % this season...must really think they improved.

The fact they improved their strength and their weaknesses got worse is not a recipe for success IMO. McDavid will have less PPG to despite the major top line upgrade too.

best part is the Oilers are capped out for years, this season is the best they will get. All the fears of not just how but how many cups with McDavid are gone IMO.

This 100%, doesn’t matter the supporting cast forwards, Mavi and Raisatl play nearly half the game regardless of who the rest of the lines are. The defensive side got significantly worse adding Keith and Ceci, which will translate to more high chance shots which won’t translate to many good nights for 40 yr old Stink Eye or Kostinem.

The reason of so much Oiler bashing is people get ridiculously tired of the obvious Media mandate to highlight the Oilers and push them as the “next contenders”. The Oilers are not contenders, are not close to being contenders, have no cap space and no prospects. I actually believe they are a good pick to miss the playoffs, do not match up well against a lot of teams over 82 games and won’t get to feast on bottom feeders 10 times and get hyped over BOA’s for the majority of their schedule.

I want him to sign a huge extension, but by pure performance Ken Holland should be fired 10 times over up there. So enough about these clowns and the clown show up north….

[Heavy Jack]

Sure Edmonton shored up their forward group but it still is going to take them breaking up McDavid/Draisaitl to truly take a step as a club imo. To add to the question marks heading into the season is their suspect Goalie situation and a D group that analytically tracks to be one of the worst in the league. Pair those question marks with a schedule that will be much longer and include a full field of competition and I think the Oilers could find themselves in an awkward position if they go into the season over confident which is an annual problem for them.

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

.If we held our own team more accountable instead of just caring about being better then the sludge up north maybe we wouldn't be in this position in the first place.

Good point. But in the mean time, Oiler activities are a great stress reliever.

[cannon7]

Sabres news: Jack Eichel trade rumors involve two surprising suitors

[AC]

It's the same quote from Futa I believe.

[getbak]

Also, both teams have been mentioned as being in the mix since the beginning. I'm not sure how they're surprising.

[Yobbo]

Originally Posted by getbak

Also, both teams have been mentioned as being in the mix since the beginning. I'm not sure how they're surprising.

I was thinking the same thing.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by getbak

Also, both teams have been mentioned as being in the mix since the beginning. I'm not sure how they're surprising.

Nothing else to talk about.