[Signing] Flames sign Zadorov to 1 year deal worth $3.75 mil - Page 4 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Monahammer · 08-20-2021, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by TheScorpion

And all of those contracts are also very bad.

Anyway the one-year aspect of it is fine. It's just too much money for one year and an indictment of the Flames' decision to trade for this player in the first place. Just a pretty bad bet to acquire a low-upside player with a low-upside contract.

So down on another player. I remember similar comments after we signed another guy last year:

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https://twitter.com/user/status/1314760917427552258

I gotta say, I don't like this all that much

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Yeah the more that I think about this the more I strongly dislike this signing. Just terrible stuff. I fear this will even further handcuff the team's cap situation for quite a while.

Maybe give him a few games eh?

TheScorpion · 08-20-2021, 10:33 AM

The Tanev contract was a bad bet on a player showing serious signs of decline. It worked out in year one. Not remotely convinced it'll work out in years two-four.

Tanev was, however, elite for many years. Zadorov has never come close to approaching that level.

DeluxeMoustache · 08-20-2021, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by TheScorpion

The Tanev contract was a bad bet on a player showing serious signs of decline. It worked out in year one. Not remotely convinced it'll work out in years two-four.

Wow. Doubling down? Including year 2? Interesting

Bingo · 08-20-2021, 10:34 AM

With a QO of $3.2 and arbitration looming this was always going to be in the $4M range.

Honestly for those that want action I think this is a really good sign. I don't see this as Zadorov doesn't want to be here (I think his enthusiasm around the trade day was pretty clear).

It's Calgary wanting to keep their cap down to fit something else in. That extra say $750K could mean the difference in having to shed a salary or not in a few weeks.

Monahammer · 08-20-2021, 10:34 AM

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https://twitter.com/user/status/1314761591959752709

hopefully Giordano elevates him a bit

This was Tanev's WAR Chart prior to us acquiring him. Zadorov could turn out great still.

TheScorpion · 08-20-2021, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Monahammer

This was Tanev's WAR Chart prior to us acquiring him. Zadorov could turn out great still.

Tanev defied the odds and rediscovered the upside he'd demonstrated for many years in Vancouver.

Zadorov has never been able to be much more than a replacement-level #5/6 defenceman. There's a reason he's on his fourth team and fifth contract at age 26. He's simply not easy to justify keeping around.

Cali Panthers Fan · 08-20-2021, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by agulati

When they traded for Zadorov, a lot more players were available through free agency. I mean he might still be a decent option over many of the contracts handed out.

July 28th was when the trade was made.

Here's a list of the notable defensemen I could find that signed since that date who were not RFAs (AFAIK).

Greg Pateryn
Jani Hakanpaa
Ryan Murray
Slater Koekoek

Seriously, the entire pool of viable defensemen had dried up. I do not fault Treliving at all for spending an asset to get a top 4 defenseman.

agulati · 08-20-2021, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

That reminds me. When are we signing Michael Stone?

Probably gets a PTO For camp and then gets resigned before the season.

I actually wouldn’t mind having him as a #6/7.

Monahammer · 08-20-2021, 10:40 AM

Side by side of the year prior to acquisition for defensive dmen.

The Yen Man · 08-20-2021, 10:40 AM

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Because they had next to no options that they found palatable on the UFA market? Have you seen the list of guys that are available? Here are the top 10 UFAs by games played last year.

PLAYER TEAM AGE POS HANDED GP G A P P/GP +/- Sh Sh% TOI W L SO GAA Sv% CLAUSE EXPIRY CAP HIT SALARY
1. Zdeno Chara - 44 LD Left 55 2 8 10 0.18 5 67 0.03 18:19 - - - - - NMC UFA $795,000 $795,000
2. Erik Gudbranson - 29 RD Right 45 1 3 4 0.09 -12 58 0.02 17:54 - - - - - UFA $4,000,000 $3,000,000
3. Jason Demers - 33 RD Right 41 0 4 4 0.10 -4 44 0.00 17:14 - - - - - UFA $4,500,000 $3,600,000
4. Sami Vatanen - 30 LD/RD Right 39 2 4 6 0.15 3 55 0.04 17:01 - - - - - UFA $2,000,000 $2,000,000
5. Jordie Benn - 33 LD/RD Left 39 1 9 10 0.26 7 45 0.02 14:45 - - - - - M-NTC UFA $2,000,000 $1,600,000
6. Ben Hutton - 28 LD Left 38 1 4 5 0.13 -13 54 0.02 18:27 - - - - - UFA $950,000 $950,000
7. Erik Gustafsson - 29 LD/RD Left 29 1 11 12 0.41 -1 33 0.03 16:42 - - - - - UFA $3,000,000 $3,000,000
8. Michael Stone - 31 RD Right 21 2 2 4 0.19 -1 41 0.05 16:04 - - - - - UFA $700,000 $700,000
9. Braydon Coburn - 36 LD Left 19 0 2 2 0.11 -3 18 0.00 16:02 - - - - - NTC UFA $1,700,000 $1,600,000

I don't know about you but I don't want any of those guys over Zadorov.

Has Vatenen declined that much? I would have taken a flyer on him for $3M one year over Zadorov + 3rd round pick.

HighLifeMan · 08-20-2021, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Tanev defied the odds and rediscovered the upside he'd demonstrated for many years in Vancouver.

Zadorov has never been able to be much more than a replacement-level #5/6 defenceman. There's a reason he's on his fourth team and fifth contract at age 26. He's simply not easy to justify keeping around.

He was the main piece in trades for O'Rielly and Saad respectively.

Each team acquiring him has paid to do so. Being traded for doesn't make you a poor player.

Cali Panthers Fan · 08-20-2021, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Toonage

Then don't do anything. Keep the pick and your costs low by elevating Valimaki and playing Kylington or Mackey on the 3rd pair.

Far too many young/inexperienced/volatile players mentioned here to trust half of your defense core to that group. Besides, what happens when you get an injury? Literally no depth after those players.

Harry Lime · 08-20-2021, 10:41 AM

They traded a third for a full season of stability until one or two of the younger players are ready to take the reins. Valimaki has the most potential, Mackey has the chance to be a very well rounded D with strong defensive ability, and Kylington is a complete wildcard with a high ceiling and low floor.

I like this. It shows a lot of confidence in the younger D actually having ability, and plans icetime for them.

Fighting Banana Slug · 08-20-2021, 10:41 AM

I wasn't a huge fan of the signing, but understood the Flames did need to get another NHLer on D. One year is better than long term, in my opinion. I think the chances of him breaking out into a player that significantly raises his value as a UFA are slim.

DeluxeMoustache · 08-20-2021, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by agulati

Probably gets a PTO For camp and then gets resigned before the season.

I actually wouldn’t mind having him as a #6/7.

I would not be surprised

I’m considering starting a new rumour and thread:

[Rumour] Flames to sign Michael Stone 1 year x 750 K

Enoch Root · 08-20-2021, 10:44 AM

I like it. Was hoping for 2 X $3.75 but one year is the next best thing.

1) it is a show-me contract, which is exactly what they should be doing with Zadorov - he hasn't shown the consistency yet to justify a long term contract. If he can put it together this year, great! Sign a long term deal. If not, no worries

2) if he doesn't show enough to warrant a longer contract, he can be moved at the deadline

3) the Flames still have some cap space to make one more move this year, and every quarter mill will help. Keeping Zadorov under $4M definitely helps that situation.

agulati · 08-20-2021, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

July 28th was when the trade was made.

Here's a list of the notable defensemen I could find that signed since that date who were not RFAs (AFAIK).

Greg Pateryn
Jani Hakanpaa
Ryan Murray
Slater Koekoek

Seriously, the entire pool of viable defensemen had dried up. I do not fault Treliving at all for spending an asset to get a top 4 defenseman.

Wasn’t the trade on the first day of free agency though? It’s possible that the flames were not making headway on other conversations.

CroFlames · 08-20-2021, 10:49 AM

I wouldn't be surprised if this was the only deal the Flames offered and said he needs to prove himself if he wants more term after this.

Enoch Root · 08-20-2021, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by TheScorpion

And all of those contracts are also very bad.

Anyway the one-year aspect of it is fine. It's just too much money for one year and an indictment of the Flames' decision to trade for this player in the first place. Just a pretty bad bet to acquire a low-upside player with a low-upside contract.

He is not a low upside player. He has all the tools to be a very impactful player, he just hasn't put it all together yet.

But he is only 26, and LOTS of defensemen don't put it all together until that age or later. This is actually an excellent gamble on the part of the Flames. IF he does put it together, they just found an impactful, top 4 defenseman for a 3rd round pick. If he doesn't, they recoup their 3rd at the deadline.

They needed a body after losing Giordano. The worst case scenario here is that he is a one-year filler. The upside is pretty significant.

stemit14 · 08-20-2021, 10:51 AM

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Doesn’t that make it sort of a lose lose? He plays like he has been he isn’t worth the money if he takes a big step forward under Sutter you immediately have to pay him more

I think it’s done to mitigate the risk. There is always more risk signing a defensive defenseman to a long-term deal… I know it’s working out with tanev but it’s smart to keep flexibility.

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