Friedman: Flames have begun extension talks with Gaudreau & Eichel speculation

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by stang

Think he was reacting to the Onlyfans news

Thanks for the inside perve scoop.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Freeway

Minor correction: undrafted junior players can sign with any NHL club between the draft and the beginning of their junior season OR at any time after their third year of draft eligibility. (Glenn Gawdin signed with the Flames midway through the WHL season after he had gone unclaimed in his third draft of eligibility.)

I wasn't talking about undrafted players. I was talking about drafted players who don't sign.

[stang]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Thanks for the inside perve scoop.

You’re welcome, but I’d hardly call it an inside scoop. Saw it on CTV

https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/sci-te...tent-1.5553887

[Freeway]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

I wasn't talking about undrafted players. I was talking about drafted players who don't sign.

In that case you're definitely correct.

[calgARI]

Originally Posted by getbak

With four of the top-5 picks from the draft (and 5 total first-rounders) all committed to Michigan for next season, I think it was expected that they'd all go to University for this season.

After they win the Frozen Four next year, they'll likely all sign their NHL contracts the next day.

I don't think there's any risk of any of them playing out the full four years.

Doubt they even make the frozen four. The NCAA belongs to much older teams. Those with lots of talented draft picks rarely make it deep into the tournament.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by transplant99

There is just no such thing as an NCAA 'loophole".

Any player drafted in NA as an 18 YO need only not sign a contract for the next 4 NHL seasons and they too become UFA's on Aug. 15 on that 4th year.

Not sure why this is so misunderstood but it has a life of its own it seems.

While it's not a true loophole there's still a massive difference, A junior player can be drafted and signed at 18 and left to his junior club to develop, if he doesn't sign he has no where to go after 20 to become a UFA, even if he goes to Europe his rights are still owned by his drafted team.

The fair way to fix this "non loophole" is a college player should have to wait a year after leaving school to become a UFA or suck it up and sign with the team that was willing to give you a shot at an NHL dream.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by shutout

Flames will over pay Zadorov $4.5M for five years.

Gaudreau will not be signed and will leave as a UFA next season 2022.

Next summer Flames will qualify Tkachuk with a multi year deal. Tkachuk will take the team to arbitration. Flames will agree to the two year deal at $9.5M. Tkachuk will leave as a UFA in 2024.

Monahan won't be traded. Monahan won't be resigned. Monahan will leave the team as a UFA in 2023.

Flames will make no more notable trades or UFA signings except to sign Michael Stone to a two year deal the beginning of September.

For the next two years the Flames will finish as the second wild card team in the west, just making the playoffs by one point on shootout wins in the final games of the season. They will go into the playoffs chanting and shouting the mantra "All you have to do is get in to win!". They will get swept both years and the four losses will be by more than three goals every game.

2023 Treliving and Sutter will not have their contracts renewed. The organization will start another misguided attempt to rebuild on the fly with a new GM and head coach.

Such has been prophesied.

Sorry, you are so wrong. Michael Stone will not sign a two year contract, he will sign a one year contract every year until he’s 45. He’ll always be the better than nothing 6/7D. You should know better by now.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by transplant99

There is just no such thing as an NCAA 'loophole".

Any player drafted in NA as an 18 YO need only not sign a contract for the next 4 NHL seasons and they too become UFA's on Aug. 15 on that 4th year.

Not sure why this is so misunderstood but it has a life of its own it seems.

Technically, there is no loophole. But in practice, drafted college players have more incentive and are more likely to become UFAs because they can spend that time playing meaningful hockey and getting a degree.

Not sure why people pretend that’s not the case.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Technically, there is no loophole. In practice, drafted college players have more incentive and are more likely to become UFAs because they can spend that time playing meaningful hockey and getting a degree.

Not sure why people pretend that’s not the case.

The point is...ANY player drafted as an 18 YO who does not want to sign with the team that selected them, can wait 4 years if they so choose and be free to sign with anyone willing to have them.

Of course having a place to play that 4th season is a big carrot, but there are plenty of places that over-agers coming out of junior can play a season as well. Lots of guys never drafted are able to get AHL deals as an example.

Some go overseas for a year ot two. If a guy can play, he will be seen by the decision makers of NHL teams. It isn't 1974 anymore. Roy Hobbs types are a thing of the long past.

[Demaeon]

From the NHL team's perspective though, they'll know by year 2 that the kid in junior wasn't going to sign, as they'd end up back in the draft wouldn't they? With an NCAA draftee it can be strung out for 4 years right up until they are UFA. Or maybe I'm wrong.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Demaeon

From the NHL team's perspective though, they'll know by year 2 that the kid in junior wasn't going to sign, as they'd end up back in the draft wouldn't they? With an NCAA draftee it can be strung out for 4 years right up until they are UFA. Or maybe I'm wrong.

I wonder how things would change if NCAA players were thrown back into the draft after two years. I can imagine it would result in far fewer US-born players getting drafted before their second college season.

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[Strange Brew]

It's not a loophole but it is true that rules are different for junior vs college. But seems junior players have more flexibility if they hate their drafted team?

I believe in baseball you have one season to sign your player. But the contract situation is different and you can slot your money differently among drafted players. But signability is a huge factor in the baseball draft. And there are compensatory picks too. Too complicated for me to understand.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by transplant99

The point is...ANY player drafted as an 18 YO who does not want to sign with the team that selected them, can wait 4 years if they so choose and be free to sign with anyone willing to have them.

Of course having a place to play that 4th season is a big carrot, but there are plenty of places that over-agers coming out of junior can play a season as well. Lots of guys never drafted are able to get AHL deals as an example.

Some go overseas for a year ot two. If a guy can play, he will be seen by the decision makers of NHL teams. It isn't 1974 anymore. Roy Hobbs types are a thing of the long past.

lol

That is not the point.

The point is college players have a clear advantage because they can just stay put and get a degree until their 4 years are up sign wherever they want to after that. Staying put is a hell of a lot easier than turning pro, going to Europe and biding your time over there hoping you get enough ice time to not derail your future career.

In many cases just the threat of staying in college is enough for them to end up in their destination of choice before the 4 years is even up, example numero uno of this really hits home, because he was drafted by the Flames and just won a Norris Trophy while still on his ELC for the Rangers.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

lol

That is not the point.

The point is college players have a clear advantage because they can just stay put and get a degree until their 4 years are up sign wherever they want to after that. Staying put is a hell of a lot easier than turning pro, going to Europe and biding your time over there hoping you get enough ice time to not derail your future career.

In many cases just the threat of staying in college is enough for them to end up in their destination of choice before the 4 years is even up, example numero uno of this really hits home, because he was drafted by the Flames and just won a Norris Trophy while still on his ELC for the Rangers.

It's up to the drafting NHL team to asses this risk when taking a player then. I don't think any 'loophole' needs fixing. Drafting Adam Fox still got us Lindholm and Hanifin.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by VilleN

It's up to the drafting NHL team to asses this risk when taking a player then. I don't think any 'loophole' needs fixing. Drafting Adam Fox still got us Lindholm and Hanifin.

lol

No it did not. Trading for Dougie Hamilton got us Lindholm and Hanifin.

You can't seriously believe Adam Fox was the cornerstone of that deal.

Even a year later, after putting up 48 points in 33 games in hockey east as a Dman all he got the Canes was two 2nd round picks from the Rangers.


EDIT: Also, that is the point. Teams should not have to asses the risk of a college player bolting on them. There is already enough risk in the draft when choosing players. You should be able to draft the player you believe will be the best pick in the long run and not have to factor in crap like them running to a preferred team. Especially when the preferred team is usually just a handful of certain teams in the league who now have an unfair advantage over the rest of the teams which undermines the draft entirely.

[SuperMatt18]

It's a simple solution too.

If you offer a player you drafted the rookie max contract, you retain their rights. Almost like a qualifying offer.

Doesn't force a player to sign but gives the drafting team more leverage if they do need to trade the player without the threat of him being able to leave as a UFA.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

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EDIT: Also, that is the point. Teams should not have to asses the risk of a college player bolting on them. There is already enough risk in the draft when choosing players. You should be able to draft the player you believe will be the best pick in the long run and not have to factor in crap like them running to a preferred team. Especially when the preferred team is usually just a handful of certain teams in the league who now have an unfair advantage over the rest of the teams which undermines the draft entirely.

What you are suggesting is that players have to sign with the team that drafted them period.

There is likely legal problems with that concept, which if why the NHL agreed to the current system.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

lol

No it did not. Trading for Dougie Hamilton got us Lindholm and Hanifin.

You can't seriously believe Adam Fox was the cornerstone of that deal.

Even a year later, after putting up 48 points in 33 games in hockey east as a Dman all he got the Canes was two 2nd round picks from the Rangers.


EDIT: Also, that is the point. Teams should not have to asses the risk of a college player bolting on them. There is already enough risk in the draft when choosing players. You should be able to draft the player you believe will be the best pick in the long run and not have to factor in crap like them running to a preferred team. Especially when the preferred team is usually just a handful of certain teams in the league who now have an unfair advantage over the rest of the teams which undermines the draft entirely.

Not only that, but this makes the draft very unfair in that some teams will have a decided advantage if they are more desired destinations. It's bad enough when free agents will sign for much lower AAVs in preferred destinations; if drafted players can also choose their team, then the competitive balance of the league is significantly undermined.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

What you are suggesting is that players have to sign with the team that drafted them period.

There is likely legal problems with that concept, which if why the NHL agreed to the current system.

There shouldn't be any legal problem with making players ineligible to sign with any other NHL team before they are eligible to be free agents based on age. They are free to sign with other leagues if they choose to not sign with the team that drafted them, and they are free to not sign with any team if they so choose, so nobody is forcing them to sign with the team that drafted them; it is just no longer advantageous to them to refuse to sign.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

lol

That is not the point.

The point is college players have a clear advantage because they can just stay put and get a degree until their 4 years are up sign wherever they want to after that. Staying put is a hell of a lot easier than turning pro, going to Europe and biding your time over there hoping you get enough ice time to not derail your future career.

In many cases just the threat of staying in college is enough for them to end up in their destination of choice before the 4 years is even up, example numero uno of this really hits home, because he was drafted by the Flames and just won a Norris Trophy while still on his ELC for the Rangers.

They could easily fix this by extending college players to 5 years before they can sign anywhere. I'd imagine a full year off after your degree would be a pretty big deterrent to just breaking free from your drafted team.