08-19-2021, 03:05 PM
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Houston works better for Central Division anyways.
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08-19-2021, 03:07 PM
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#42
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Pretty sure Hamilton could take an NHL team and they could play out of the FirstOntario Centre. If Winnipeg can have a team it would stand to reason a city of a similar size with access to the huge population base in lower Ontario would do just as well. And I'm sure the appetite is there.
More Canadian options is always good.
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08-19-2021, 03:10 PM
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#43
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The league just balanced the East and West Conferences. If the Coyotes move, it won't be to the east.
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08-19-2021, 03:13 PM
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#44
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Join Date: Mar 2007
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Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame
Pretty sure Hamilton could take an NHL team and they could play out of the FirstOntario Centre. If Winnipeg can have a team it would stand to reason a city of a similar size with access to the huge population base in lower Ontario would do just as well. And I'm sure the appetite is there.
More Canadian options is always good.
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Why? Do you have any idea how much unnecessary Carbon a Hockey team emits? We should force them all to shutter. Close down youth hockey too.
Might get us down to 1.98% of World Emissions!
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08-19-2021, 03:13 PM
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#45
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Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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I'm not sure that's necessarily good for us. That threat (which I fully believe Murray Edwards was prepared to make good on) likely helped with negotiations with the City for the new arena.
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Thankfully, those days are behind us.
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I like the implication that the Coyotes are small and unimpactful. . How many times have they moved within Arizona
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Just once so far.
ASU is moving into their new 5,000 seat arena next year. Maybe the Coyotes can move into the broom closet the Sun Devils currently play in.
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08-19-2021, 03:14 PM
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#46
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Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Auckland, NZ
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Originally Posted by Puppet Guy
The league just balanced the East and West Conferences. If the Coyotes move, it won't be to the east.
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Cheyenne, Wyoming it is.
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08-19-2021, 03:14 PM
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#47
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Originally Posted by Muta
Cheyenne, Wyoming it is.
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I was thinking that the Boise Ice Spuds had a ring to it.
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08-19-2021, 03:17 PM
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#48
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Originally Posted by calgaryred
I believe they will relocate to Phoenix, Bettman is so head strong for hockey to stay in Arizona.
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I hope so. Would.like to go watch some.hockey when I move there.
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08-19-2021, 03:18 PM
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#49
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Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Seattle, WA/Scottsdale, AZ
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Just get that damn team out of there already. An absolute joke of a franchise at this point
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Nonsense. You build a rink in Tempe, Mesa or Scottsdale and they make money.
The Calgary equivalent of Glendale is Airdrie or Cochrane. Put the Flames there and they'd be having the same issues.
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08-19-2021, 03:18 PM
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No love for the Jackson Hole Patrol?
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08-19-2021, 03:21 PM
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#51
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Good. Worst market in the sport.
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08-19-2021, 03:23 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2006
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Originally Posted by Jordan!
This has to be hardball negotiations or something. There's no way Glendale makes more money on a small handful of concerts than 41 games a year.
Either way, the Coyotes/Glendale relationship is due to be over one way or another.
The team will for sure go to Houston (Sorry Quebec) if they relocate
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They aren't making any money from the Yotes as it is, they're already past due on 1.5M they owe the city. They're basically just evicting deadbeat tenants
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08-19-2021, 03:24 PM
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Pheonix has a Metro pop of 5 million, that's enough people to keep an arena healthy without an anchor team, the arena also sits in the middle of the city's entertainment district, it's not hard to imagine why they'd consider the Coyote's a dead fish tenant. Pheonix even has another 17,000+ capacity arena that the Suns play at.
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08-19-2021, 03:27 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Arizona is a good market on paper. It has the demographics and fills out the geography nicely. Their organization has just been a mess though. I expect the NHL to keep fighting for them though based on the reasons above.
Although, they might also not mind a sweet relocation fee to a city like Houston or Portland given that expansion is likely not on the plate for a long time. Or maybe they could disperse the Coyotes and offer up an expansion opportunity somewhere to get more money. Personally, if i was a potential owner, I would rather pay for an expansion team than buy the hot mess that the Coyotes are plus paying a relocation fee.
I am not sure if there are legalities preventing that sort of thing though or how dispersal works. I imagine the NHL would have to buy out the current owners or something.
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08-19-2021, 03:28 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Chandler, AZ
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Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat
Has it substantially changed from when they played in there from 97-04? Assuming the Tempe deal can get done, they could play there for 2-3 seasons to bridge a gap, you'd think.
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I believe they removed the ice making operation. not 100% on that but it's more about whether or not Suns owner Robert Sarver wants a partner. So far he has not
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08-19-2021, 03:29 PM
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So before you pencil in a move to Houston you have to know if the owners want to sell. Because I don’t think Fertitta wants a tenant for his arena. He’d want to own the team.
Although times have been tough in the hospitality business so maybe he’d strike a deal with a tenant, but I’d be surprised. The previous owner of the Rockets, Les Alexander, kicked the Aeros out of the arena. Without a certain amount of lease payment, makes no sense to give up prime dates to one tenant.
RIP to the “entertainment” district around that Glendale arena. One less Johnny Rockets in the world.
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08-19-2021, 03:29 PM
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Jordan!
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Chandler, AZ
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80% of the ticket base is an hour away from the arena in Glendale. It just doesn't work during the week if you have a family and weekend games are roadtrips
Source: Me, i live far east in Gilbert
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08-19-2021, 03:30 PM
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#58
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Jordan!
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Chandler, AZ
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Alex Meruello who owns casino's will be the proud owner of an Arizona gambling license - the last thing he wants to do is move the team out of state.
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08-19-2021, 03:32 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordan!
80% of the ticket base is an hour away from the arena in Glendale. It just doesn't work during the week if you have a family and weekend games are roadtrips
Source: Me, i live far east in Gilbert
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I never thought I would see the day that Jordan! confirms that he is 80% of the Coyotes season-ticket base.
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08-19-2021, 03:39 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordan!
80% of the ticket base is an hour away from the arena in Glendale. It just doesn't work during the week if you have a family and weekend games are roadtrips
Source: Me, i live far east in Gilbert
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Why did they make the decision to do this? Is there just no real estate in Phoenix proper to build an arena there? Did they over-estimate the affinity level of the fanbase? Did they expect the Glendale area to have its own gravity to draw crowds?
We keep hearing about distance being an issue, but if it was based on logistical reasons that can't be overcome, then that is still a market problem.
According to this website, Glendale has a higher population density than Phoenix.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/us...-az-population
https://worldpopulationreview.com/us...-az-population
Maybe I am over simplifying things, but the arena location should be beneficial to drawing more crowds.
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