08-19-2021, 10:08 AM
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#3681
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Originally Posted by VilleN
You'd have to be a bigger idiot to not play and lose 10m per year.
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Exactly. Given all the unknowns in being a pro athlete in regards to how long you can play and the amount of money he would be walking away from there is zero chance he would sit out.
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08-19-2021, 10:10 AM
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#3682
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Franchise Player
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Yet he's willing to sit out to get the surgery he wants.
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08-19-2021, 10:11 AM
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#3683
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: NC
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Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald
Yet he's willing to sit out to get the surgery he wants.
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Do you want to stay in Buffalo?
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08-19-2021, 10:12 AM
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#3684
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan
Do you want to stay in Buffalo?
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For $10M a season? I'd play in Edmonton for that kind of cheddar.
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08-19-2021, 10:13 AM
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#3685
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald
Yet he's willing to sit out to get the surgery he wants.
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Not really. If the season starts and this has not been resolved there will be a grievance filed by the NHLPA, that is a given. He will also be on LTIR and thus still getting his salary. That is much different then getting traded to Calgary, getting the surgery he wants, and then after recovery saying he will sit out because he doesn't want to be here.
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08-19-2021, 10:23 AM
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#3686
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by VilleN
You'd have to be a bigger idiot to not play and lose 10m per year.
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He's already not going to play, he needs neck surgery. He'll be getting paid though.
Sure a team could call his bluff, pay a ton of assets to get him, wait while he has surgery, wait while he recovers, wait while he piddles his way back to playing form (the whole time, he's getting paid) then force him to come back and have a disgruntled player who doesn't want to be there join their line up. That sounds like a fantastic plan. Remember Jeff Carter to Columbus?
If the guys camp says "he doesn't want to go to your team/city/country" that GM probably isn't going to give up a ton of high valued assets for that player. It's already a risky enough proposition without that added element.
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08-19-2021, 10:26 AM
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#3687
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: VanCity
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Eichel is currently wearing #9 for the Sabres but was #15 initially. Does he go back to #15 or will we grant him #9 with the Flames?
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08-19-2021, 10:29 AM
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#3688
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by genetic_phreek
Eichel is currently wearing #9 for the Sabres but was #15 initially. Does he go back to #15 or will we grant him #9 with the Flames?
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Why would the Flames give anyone a retired number?
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08-19-2021, 10:30 AM
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#3689
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Taking a while to get to 5000
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#9 is about as off limits as a number can get around here. Its retired, its royalty.
Zero chance.
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08-19-2021, 10:40 AM
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#3691
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy
He's already not going to play, he needs neck surgery. He'll be getting paid though.
Sure a team could call his bluff, pay a ton of assets to get him, wait while he has surgery, wait while he recovers, wait while he piddles his way back to playing form (the whole time, he's getting paid) then force him to come back and have a disgruntled player who doesn't want to be there join their line up. That sounds like a fantastic plan. Remember Jeff Carter to Columbus?
If the guys camp says "he doesn't want to go to your team/city/country" that GM probably isn't going to give up a ton of high valued assets for that player. It's already a risky enough proposition without that added element.
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So he gets his surgery, comes back and doesn't play hard because he is pouting. Then his next contract comes up and he's paid well below what he could have made had he simply tried hard and played well. I understand that he may want to play in NY or Vegas, but it's not like he's going to sewer his career because he doesn't like Calgary. Also, if he came to Calgary and we became contenders I think that would alleviate a lot of his concerns as it seems he is sick of losing in Buffalo.
On the other hand, I can see your point. Management/ownership would be hesitant to bring a guy in that isn't keen on being here. I wish GMs wouldn't give players leverage that they don't have. If player X wants to get traded and threatens to sit out until it happens, I wish a GM would just say sure, sit out and lose millions of dollars and see who blinks first. Instead they always seem to capitulate to players demands.
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08-19-2021, 10:43 AM
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#3692
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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I think Eichel will be grateful to whichever team allows him his health care choice and will happily play for them.
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08-19-2021, 10:44 AM
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#3693
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Gaskal
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I believe he is the first player who went first overall since Erik Johnson to not play in the NHL right away. Before him, it was Ovechkin, who missed his first season due to the lockout.
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08-19-2021, 10:59 AM
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#3694
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy
He's already not going to play, he needs neck surgery. He'll be getting paid though.
Sure a team could call his bluff, pay a ton of assets to get him, wait while he has surgery, wait while he recovers, wait while he piddles his way back to playing form (the whole time, he's getting paid) then force him to come back and have a disgruntled player who doesn't want to be there join their line up. That sounds like a fantastic plan. Remember Jeff Carter to Columbus?
If the guys camp says "he doesn't want to go to your team/city/country" that GM probably isn't going to give up a ton of high valued assets for that player. It's already a risky enough proposition without that added element.
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I like what you are saying.
I think we should give them gaudreau, Tkachuk, monahan, hanifin and our next 5 first round draft choices.
It just makes sense from a risk perspective.
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08-19-2021, 11:03 AM
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#3695
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
I think Eichel will be grateful to whichever team allows him his health care choice and will happily play for them.
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More than likely, but I was just painting a gloomy, yet plausible scenario that lines up with the Flames ongoing 20 year inability to acquire or a develop a true elite #1C in his prime lol
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08-19-2021, 11:32 AM
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#3696
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy
More than likely, but I was just painting a gloomy, yet plausible scenario that lines up with the Flames ongoing 20 year inability to acquire or a develop a true elite #1C in his prime lol
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You know...I'm not sure we ever had a true elite #1C that is seen as a top 5-10 center in the league.
Gilmour, Nilsson, and Nieuwendyk are probably the closest that we have had but I'm not sure any of those guys was a top 5-10 center in the league at the time they were in Calgary. Probably would have ranked right around the 8-15 range, but I'm not sure we ever had a true elite #1 center.
Kent Nilsson is the only Flames center to ever get hart trophy votes. (8th place in 1980-81, 12th in 83-84)
If you were to make a list of the top centers since 1980 when the Flames entered the league, does any Flames center make the top 10? Not a chance.
Top 20? Probably not.
Top 30? Maybe Gilmour or Nieuwendyk would get a look at that point.
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08-19-2021, 11:40 AM
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#3697
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
You know...I'm not sure we ever had a true elite #1C that is seen as a top 5-10 center in the league.
Gilmour, Nilsson, and Nieuwendyk are probably the closest that we have had but I'm not sure any of those guys was a top 5-10 center in the league at the time they were in Calgary. Probably would have ranked right around the 8-15 range, but I'm not sure we ever had a true elite #1 center.
Kent Nilsson is the only Flames center to ever get hart trophy votes. (8th place in 1980-81, 12th in 83-84)
If you were to make a list of the top centers since 1980 when the Flames entered the league, does any Flames center make the top 10? Not a chance.
Top 20? Probably not.
Top 30? Maybe Gilmour or Nieuwendyk would get a look at that point.
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Marc Savard was pretty good. Button traded him for Ruslan Zainullian.
Then Savard put up 411 points in 365 games over the next 5 seasons.
Probably not too many centers outscored him during that stretch of 5 seasons. Crosby and Thornton, can't think of others...
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08-19-2021, 12:01 PM
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#3698
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy
Marc Savard was pretty good. Button traded him for Ruslan Zainullian.
Then Savard put up 411 points in 365 games over the next 5 seasons.
Probably not too many centers outscored him during that stretch of 5 seasons. Crosby and Thornton, can't think of others...
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I mean actually players that were in the Flames silks when they hit that level of performance though.
Savard for sure became a guy that was probably a top 10 center in the league, but he wasn't that guy as a Flame.
Gilmour became that guy in Toronto for a couple seasons, but not sure he was at that level as a Flame.
I don't think this team has ever had that true elite #1 center.
And not even talking about the generational guys because really only Pittsburgh and Edmonton have claim to those guys since 1980 (Gretzky, Lemieux, Crosby, McDavid).
But we haven't even had a guy at the tier below in the Sakic, Yzerman, Thornton, etc range.
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08-19-2021, 12:07 PM
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#3699
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
I mean actually players that were in the Flames silks when they hit that level of performance though.
Savard for sure became a guy that was probably a top 10 center in the league, but he wasn't that guy as a Flame.
Gilmour became that guy in Toronto for a couple seasons, but not sure he was at that level as a Flame.
I don't think this team has ever had that true elite #1 center.
And not even talking about the generational guys because really only Pittsburgh and Edmonton have claim to those guys since 1980 (Gretzky, Lemieux, Crosby, McDavid).
But we haven't even had a guy at the tier below in the Sakic, Yzerman, Thornton, etc range.
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This makes me bitter.
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08-19-2021, 12:20 PM
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#3700
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by Toonage
#9 is about as off limits as a number can get around here. Its retired, its royalty.
Zero chance.
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Of course. Just give Eichel 97. 
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