[News] UPD: Aug 4 released renderings of Event Centre in OP (+ new ext. renders in post #704)

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by getbak

There is nothing different in the building design between the original renders and the new ones. These are just slightly different angles and more people around the building in the new renders.

There look to be a few changes - nothing drastic but not just perspective

[getbak]

Originally Posted by edslunch

There look to be a few changes - nothing drastic but not just perspective

Other than lighting and signage, what else?


EDIT: Also, some of the landscaping/streetscaping around the building looks different, but that's hard to tell if it's changed or just more-detailed.

[topfiverecords]

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[Reaper]

Originally Posted by Table 5

Sportsnet will probably use B roll footage of the Saddledome for the first 5 years.

"Here we are in Calgary on a cold winter night..." [Sportsnet plays the clip of Dave Semenko's elbow breaking the glass on Saddledome opening night]

[The Familia]

Still a hot mess. That ####ing parkade, I hate it so much! I honestly believe it is the main driving force behind some of the terrible design choices. I would have loved a community rink in that spot, but if we couldn’t afford that, the extra space could have been used to fix the following:

1. Run the upper level windows from the NW corner all the way down the entire west side (Olympic Ave) and around the southwest corner above the main entrance. From what I can tell there is some mechanical stuff that is being hidden by that piece of trash white screen. Without the parkade maybe all the mechanical could be relocated allowing the window wall to be extended (move mechanical to the east side).

2. Increase the Size of the NW plaza and entrance to be more prominent. This is the main door from the Green Line, it should be a focal point. Run retail and windows along 12th Ave. I can live with a blank wall for the East facade. The south facade can be half a blank wall and maybe half windows/retail.

3. All of the moves above would eliminate a ton of the cheap aluminum screening and provide more windows, retail, and a better public realm. Right now all the screens and blank walls make for a sterile, boring, and uninviting building.

From the drawings the arena is not centred to the overall lot. Due to the parkade, everything is squished over. I don’t see why, with the elimination of the parkade, the arena couldn’t be more centred leaving more room on all 4 sides. If anything, they can push the seating bowl a bit more to the east and make that a blank wall on the outside.

There are way to many materials currently on this dogs breakfast. I actually like the west side of the arena minus the white screen. The upper level windows and the ground level retail looks good. Simple but timeless design. Everything beyond that is trash. Hoping the interior makes up for it because the BMO Centre will be the showstopper on Stampede grounds. People think Rogers Centre will age poorly. This thing will look like crap on day one if they don’t use the highest quality materials possible.

Due to the Flames stubbornness to have a parkade included into the arena design, we have lost a potential community rink and sacrificed a lot of architectural design aspects.

[united]

Any insight why, aside from cost, the south/east sides look so plain and boring? One of my favourite shots of the Saddledome is from Scotsman's hill with the towers of downtown in the background, especially in the evening light. Also, many of the networks conduct gameday reports from the hill with the arena in the background. I acknowledge the location is a few blocks north of the Saddledome but I still think the arena will stand out...or should stand out.

As it looks in these drawings, the view from the hill will basically be the metallic square that is the proposed parkade. As a tax payer and season ticket holder I would find that very disappointing.

I really like the glass on the west side of the arena, though. I was hoping for much more glass than the cave that is the Saddledome has and that side looks fantastic. Ground-level entrances are an underrated piece too as I really enjoy those from other arenas and stadiums I've been to, and aesthetically they are much better. Can't wait to to see some interior presentations.

[Scary Eloranta]

I think the biggest issue is that it’s such a mish-mash of a design. Seems to be all over the place: It has some windows, then it has this so called “ribbon” which they say wraps around but doesn’t. There looks to be lots of blank/dead space and then of course, a hideous parkade which is impossible to make look good, it just cheapens that side so much.

Overall I think most would agree that it’s quite a confusing design but we’re stuck with it now so I hope to God they don’t mess up the inside.

I don’t think it’s unreasonable for taxpayers paying for half of this thing to have questions and concerns about how it’s going to look and function.

The new renders give me more hope for the Main Street and area. And if that works, hopefully the exterior of the arena won’t be as important.

As of today though, I think I give this a 6 out of 10. Which is may better than my reaction to the initial renders posted which was 1 at best.

And for Gods sakes, do not fill the concourses with stupid pickup trucks! I want to key all of them!

[getbak]

Originally Posted by united

Any insight why, aside from cost, the south/east sides look so plain and boring? One of my favourite shots of the Saddledome is from Scotsman's hill with the towers of downtown in the background, especially in the evening light. Also, many of the networks conduct gameday reports from the hill with the arena in the background. I acknowledge the location is a few blocks north of the Saddledome but I still think the arena will stand out...or should stand out.

That view just isn't what it used to be anymore. With the towers that have been built in Victoria Park and along Macleod Trail, they now dominate that angle instead of the downtown towers.

This shot is from July: https://goo.gl/maps/9zSr9FpG4wZe2Rx67. So many of the biggest towers are either fully or partially obscured.


With the new arena being 2 blocks north of the Saddledome, the view from Scotman's Hill towards the new arena will just be dominated by the Arriva and Guardian towers and won't be much of a view at all. No matter how pretty they make that side of the building, that's not likely to be the angle of the skyline we see as much anymore.



Pretty much every arena in the NHL has an ugly side or three with parkades and loading docks. Those just aren't the angles we see on tv. The SE corner of the building will be the lowest-traffic corner of the new building, being furthest away from the C-Train stations and bigger parking areas. So, it makes sense for that to be where the loading dock entrance is.

Be thankful we aren't Boston, where this is the view of the arena from one of the busiest roads into the city: https://goo.gl/maps/WxGyEo72t7vpGJj1A

[Joborule]

Not to mention, but even the current view of the dome from Scottman's shows the dome's parkade on the building NE corner.

The Saddleshot from the hill is photogenetic simply because of the shape of the facility. It really speaks Stampede/Western.

[the-rasta-masta]

It’s too bad the Saddledome can’t be kept in some form. Such a cool building.

I like the post with the Giant Goalie mask on the side of the new building. I hope they can incorporate things like that, as well as the neon Cowboy from the Corral that was taken down to be refurbished. In fact, I hope this new rink gets named the “Scotiabank Corral” or something as a tribute.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by getbak

Oh yeah, that. I'm not really sure what that's going to be. I wonder if it's going to be wheelchair seating? That's the only thing that would make sense to me.

Does any existing arena have rink-side wheelchair seating?

Dodge truck parking?

[Coach]

Yeah that is a really weird space there.

…I don’t think a Euro-style Truck ad is out of the question…

[FurnaceFace]

Originally Posted by getbak

Oh yeah, that. I'm not really sure what that's going to be. I wonder if it's going to be wheelchair seating? That's the only thing that would make sense to me.

Does any existing arena have rink-side wheelchair seating?

Might it not be a security feature? Keeps fans like zuluking away from the opposing players for heckling purposes.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by FurnaceFace

Might it not be a security feature? Keeps fans like zuluking away from the opposing players for heckling purposes.

That's the Flames' bench, so it could be to keep away some of the team's own fans.

The space is about 7' x 10', so they're not jamming a full-size truck in there.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by getbak

That's the Flames' bench, so it could be to keep away some of the team's own fans.

The space is about 7' x 10', so they're not jamming a full-size truck in there.

Well then, it has to be a small vehicle. Changli confirmed as new vehicle sponsor!

Spoiler!

[Muffins]

Originally Posted by getbak

That's the Flames' bench, so it could be to keep away some of the team's own fans.

The space is about 7' x 10', so they're not jamming a full-size truck in there.

Pretty sure that's going to be a special roped off area for Bev to sit. Her displeasure with the team will be more evident to the players when she can look down across the whole bench at them.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by getbak

That's the Flames' bench, so it could be to keep away some of the team's own fans.

The space is about 7' x 10', so they're not jamming a full-size truck in there.

Honda Ridgeline it is

[trumpethead]

Originally Posted by The Familia

Still a hot mess. That ####ing parkade, I hate it so much! I honestly believe it is the main driving force behind some of the terrible design choices. I would have loved a community rink in that spot, but if we couldn’t afford that, the extra space could have been used to fix the following:

1. Run the upper level windows from the NW corner all the way down the entire west side (Olympic Ave) and around the southwest corner above the main entrance. From what I can tell there is some mechanical stuff that is being hidden by that piece of trash white screen. Without the parkade maybe all the mechanical could be relocated allowing the window wall to be extended (move mechanical to the east side).

2. Increase the Size of the NW plaza and entrance to be more prominent. This is the main door from the Green Line, it should be a focal point. Run retail and windows along Iginla Ave. I can live with a blank wall for the East facade. The south facade can be half a blank wall and maybe half windows/retail.

fixed

[topfiverecords]

New renders and elevations showing some revisions to the design:
View from NW

View from SW

View from West



View from SW

Middle of west side

West side just south of above view

Middle of north side looking west

SW corner of rest/retail on west side

East end of south side at parkade

Middle of east side

View of south side from west

North & East elevations

South & West elevations

[SportsJunky]

Okay, this has been bugging me so I'm a gonna ask.

Are we looking at renders or renderings?