The number moved by air, was 60,000ish thousand, the rest by sea.
A landlocked Afghanistan is a different story IMO.
300 to 600 flights out of Kabul would evacuate 200,000 that's about half the number of flights Air Canada flies out of Vancouver in a week, while organizing the logistics of it would take a couple of months the actual evacuation could be done in less than a week in theory
Whaaat... I'd be more prone to believe that someone just created profile pages on that website for those people...
EDIT: Lol thanks for the rabbit hole...
Well the GOP love to accuse democrats of using paid actors at protests, and they are the party of projection. Wouldn't surprise me in the least if this ends up being true
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300 to 600 flights out of Kabul would evacuate 200,000 that's about half the number of flights Air Canada flies out of Vancouver in a week, while organizing the logistics of it would take a couple of months the actual evacuation could be done in less than a week in theory
Where are we taking them
Again do the ANA and Police get to come?
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personally I'd let anyone with a reasonable story on, army cops, any woman without question, I'd be happy to see the country denuded of every single female, we bring them here, Europe the US, just bring them and sort it out after, its not like we cant find room for them
300 to 600 flights out of Kabul would evacuate 200,000 that's about half the number of flights Air Canada flies out of Vancouver in a week, while organizing the logistics of it would take a couple of months the actual evacuation could be done in less than a week in theory
Just for the record, YVR > Hamid Karzai International Airport
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personally I'd let anyone with a reasonable story on, army cops, any woman without question, I'd be happy to see the country denuded of every single female, we bring them here, Europe the US, just bring them and sort it out after, its not like we cant find room for them
I don’t see that as feasible
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Just for the record, YVR > Hamid Karzai International Airport
effectively though for an evacuation you just need a runway and a tower, you're not looking to fuel or hang around just touch down, load up and take off
An older Vice documentary from 2013, but could easily have been posted yesterday.
Shows some of the struggles that took place over the course of the occupation and what they have to deal with. When people ask why basic things aren't done, this answers a lot of those questions.
To put it plainly and probably offensive to some; Afghanistan is a ####ed up place with little hope of getting on track. It is no where near on par with standards of even poor 3rd world countries, let alone what Western values were attempted to be instilled. Not surprised at all nothing worked out after 20 years.
After watching that documentary I have no idea how you even begin to fix that. It truly does feel hopeless and I can understand throwing up your hands in the air and giving up. I read a comment about it being like training the Trailer Park Boys to go out and fight against a well trained army. I get the same vibe; bunch of 'soldiers' smoking hash throughout the day and other drugs while on duty. Like common, how do you even begin to correct that? For sure, I'd give up too.
A terrible tragedy for those who live there simply trying to get on with their lives. Not looking forward to learning of the reports of what is going to happen to the women and children there once the Taliban really gets a foothold of everything. It's going to be disgusting to follow.
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While the majority of the Afghan government and President Ghani abdicated and fled, Vice President Amrullah Saleh stayed behind and vowed to rebuild the Northern Alliance and fight; moving weapons and personnel to safer locations.
He just declared himself caretaker president under the Afghan constitution and allied with Ahmad Massoud from Panjshir to rebuild the Northern Alliance. https://twitter.com/user/status/1427631191545589772
Apparently some areas have been retaken by the group according to Sputnik/Indian news outlets
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KABUL (UNI / Sputnik - 17th August, 2021) The forces of Afghan Vice President Amrullah Saleh have recaptured the Charikar area in the Parwan Povince north of Kabul from the Taliban (terrorist movement, banned in Russia); currently, battles with the Taliban are taking place on the outskirts of the Panjshir Gorge in the vicinity of this province, a military source in Kabul told Sputnik.
"The forces of the first vice-president of Afghanistan, Amrullah Saleh, have regained control over the Charikar region in Parwan province. Fighting is now going on in the Panjshir region," the source said.
A strategically important road passes through Charikar through the Salang tunnel, which connects Kabul with Mazar-i-Sharif, the largest city in northern Afghanistan.
Earlier, Saleh said that unlike the fled President Ashraf Ghani, he remained in the country and, according to the constitution, was the caretaker president.
Yeah I'm still trying to comprehend WHY this was such a big surprise.
An army’s effectiveness is largely a factor of its willingness to fight. And that’s difficult for outsiders to assess.
The U.S. military trained and equipped the Afghan army. I doubt they were under any delusions that they were leaving behind an elite fighting force. However, it seems they miscalculated just how unmotivated the soldiers were. They didn’t even put up token resistance in areas where they had superior numbers and firepower.
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I don't know if this has been posted, but that trigger and muzzle discipline looks familiar.
I've seen this oddly specific yet vague comment about familiar "trigger and muzzle discipline" a few times now - what are you guys insinuating? As in they hold their guns pointed down like they were trained by US soldiers, instead of the hollywood Taliban with AK47 up indiscriminantly firing into the air?
I don't know if this has been posted, but that trigger and muzzle discipline looks familiar.
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I've seen this oddly specific yet vague comment about familiar "trigger and muzzle discipline" a few times now - what are you guys insinuating? As in they hold their guns pointed down like they were trained by US soldiers, instead of the hollywood Taliban with AK47 up indiscriminantly firing into the air?
Not just US but Canadian soldiers as well. The Taliban most likely learnt from engagement and potentially from deserters. In the top photo the weapon being held by buddy on the far left of the photo looks like a Canadian configuration, at least according to a couple of buddies that deployed.
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