Friedman: Flames have begun extension talks with Gaudreau & Eichel speculation

[getoverit]

Be kinda cool to back door Buffalo and turn around and trade Eichel to the rangers for a big haul. They have some nice pieces. Eichel would be exciting but man risky.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by mile

Haven't seen any rumours in this thread in a while.

It's not much, but Mike Futa did briefly mention today on Tim & Friends that Anaheim and Calgary were still potential landing spots for Eichel. Says that NYR is the last place in the world where Buffalo would want to trade him to.

https://podcast.sportsnet.ca/tim-and...r-this-season/ (1:25:40)

Please let this happen

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by getoverit

Be kinda cool to back door Buffalo and turn around and trade Eichel to the rangers for a big haul. They have some nice pieces. Eichel would be exciting but man risky.

No way

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by getoverit

Be kinda cool to back door Buffalo and turn around and trade Eichel to the rangers for a big haul. They have some nice pieces. Eichel would be exciting but man risky.

Yes, after finally landing the franchise C this team has not had in decades we are going to ship him off for futures. Sounds realistic.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by getoverit

Be kinda cool to back door Buffalo and turn around and trade Eichel to the rangers for a big haul. They have some nice pieces. Eichel would be exciting but man risky.

Hey maybe we can trade him for Adam Fox....

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by blankall

The Avs were genuinely trying to succeed and unsuccessful in doing so until the got the right formula.

That "formula" being incredibly lucky.


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[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Most people were more likely thinking wtf around Ryan.

I liked him in the end, but it took a while off the hop.

There was optimism around Czarnik hoping he could be a steal but alas hoping we had the smartest guy didn’t pay off

Not sure what the smartest guy comment means. It was a reasonable shot to take for a cheap price.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

You are not really making that point with your example. The Flames went from a playoff miss and 85pts to 2nd overall and 107pts after that very exciting offseason. Treliving also actually executed a big trade which he has not been able to do since

Dang it you are right. Funny how in my head that off-season wasn't the one preceding that regular season.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Not sure what the smartest guy comment means. It was a reasonable shot to take for a cheap price.

Well, sure you can make the case it was reasonable, but in the end it was another gamble that had a good justification and story but simply did not work out.

(Actually I don’t even put that all on Czarnik)

Contrast with last year’s signings of guys like Spezza and Perry by other teams. Questionable moves that did work out

Don’t overthink it. Tre is a grinder

[Jiri Hrdina]

Criticizing a minor but rationale move like signing Czarnik seems trivial but totally on brand.

[PepsiFree]

I barely remember Czarnik the player and there are still posters ready to criticise and question the narrative around that player’s, who happened to be a tweener, signing.

Fantastic and insane. Love it.

[TheScorpion]

The Czarnik signing was a perfectly reasonable bet and there wasn't really any downside to it whatsoever.

[GioforPM]

IIRC a number of teams were pretty interested in Czarnik.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Criticizing a minor but rationale move like signing Czarnik seems trivial but totally on brand.

Kidding? You painted it as an example of an exciting off season move


It’s not a big deal. It had little downside. It was nothing. Other GMs have gotten impact players for minimum wage. Details matter

Laughing at you trying to put this on me as trivial given how you were excited about it

And rationale is a noun. You meant rational

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

IIRC a number of teams were pretty interested in Czarnik.

Yay. We won

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Those off-seasons were excited - including the Neal one.
The signing of a high potential young player ready to pop in Czarnik.
The signing of a good depth player in Ryan
And then a big name free agent picking Calgary in Neal.
Woot!

Point being - fun off-seasons don't always lead to good seasons.

Your words

[Roof-Daddy]

The baffling thing about Czarnik to me is that Tre and Peters flew to see him and convince him to sign with the Flames. They targeted the kid and went all out to get him.

Then Peters barely played him.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Your words

Yeah and that's what he was considered at the time. A young player with strong AHL production and good skill that some thought was stuck behind a deep Bruins line-up.

Exactly the type of guy one should target.

Doesn't mean it will work out. But there was some excitement at the time - which was my original point.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Yeah and that's what he was considered at the time. A young player with strong AHL production and good skill that some thought was stuck behind a deep Bruins line-up.

Exactly the type of guy one should target.

Doesn't mean it will work out. But there was some excitement at the time - which was my original point.

And the problem is that there are a lot of roster filler that simply did not work out

Czarnik. About to pop. Amounted to nothing. Leivo, Nordstrom, Simon, Nesterov, Rinaldo, etc.

Like I said, and you ignored this, I don’t put it all on Czarnik. As Roof mentioned, they pursued and didn’t even play the guy. So there was some sort of mismanagement, whether it was talent identification or player development / handling.

You can’t seriously call me out for pointing out a single roster filler signing that didn’t work out. Because there are several. That’s kind of the bigger problem.

When we are looking back fondly at Czarnik as a good off season signing we are getting in to Oiler territory.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

And the problem is that there are a lot of roster filler that simply did not work out

Czarnik. About to pop. Amounted to nothing. Leivo, Nordstrom, Simon, Nesterov, Rinaldo, etc.

Like I said, and you ignored this, I don’t put it all on Czarnik. As Roof mentioned, they pursued and didn’t even play the guy. So there was some sort of mismanagement, whether it was talent identification or player development / handling.

You can’t seriously call me out for pointing out a single roster filler signing that didn’t work out. Because there are several. That’s kind of the bigger problem.

When we are looking back fondly at Czarnik as a good off season signing we are getting in to Oiler territory.

It's actually hard to understand what point you're trying to make.