[News] UPD: Aug 4 released renderings of Event Centre in OP (+ new ext. renders in post #704)

[RM14]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

The problem with Rogers Arena (other than the home team that plays there) is the gradual slope of the first tier. By the time you get to the top row you are miles from centre ice.

Hoping the slope of the Event Centre seating bowl is much steeper.

Conroy has confirmed that Edomonton's arena was toured and the new rink will be more like MTL and DET rinks. Also rumours of a "Red Wall" aspect at one end.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by SebC

The Flames aren't spending 100s of millions of dollars to build a new arena that's the same as the old arena. I would think this to be self-evident.

They also aren't spending the money to intentionally build a new arena that is worse than the old arena. I would think this to be even more self-evident.

Increasing the price they can get for club seats in the lower bowl is all very well, but there's no need to do it by reducing the price they can get for seats in the upper bowl, and I don't see them being that stupid.

[getbak]

I decided to put together a new overlay image. For the first one I did, I was mostly interested in how much more concourse space there will be (spoiler -- it's a lot).

I did this one to specifically compare the seating bowls...


The red/pink area on the left is the original (pre-renovation) Saddledome blueprints. The blue and green areas on the right are the layout of the new arena from the development permit application.

There is a thin red line that can be seen on both sides of the image, that represents the top of the lower bowl in the original Saddledome layout (and the main concourse level). There is a thin blue line as well and it represents the top of the lower bowl in the new arena.

In the new arena, the concourse level will actually be about 2/3 of the way up the lower bowl (if I'm reading the drawings correctly). There are some dark lines with odd shapes on the drawing about 2/3 of the way up from the ice in the lower bowl, those are the entrance gates to the main concourse.


A couple of notes on the Saddledome drawing, the upper deck overlaps the lower deck by about 2 rows, that's why the red line runs through the light pink area. Also, there's a red line that circles the lower bowl about 2/3 of the way up from the ice. That's where the retractable metal rows are located to allow the conversion to Olympic ice. When the building was renovated, that's also basically (maybe off by a row or two) where the lower suites now are. It's also how much further down the upper deck extends compared to when the building was originally built.


For the new building, the green areas represent the suite overhang areas. These will be the seating areas from the suites, which will overhang the lower deck by a few rows (the lower deck will extend to the blue line all the way around the building, but is hidden in those areas by these suite seats). The upper deck will completely cover the rest of the suite level, including the two club areas in the north and south end of the arena that are not visible in this drawing because they're completely covered by the upper deck.

Like the lower bowl, the upper concourse will be partway up the upper deck, so some rows will be below the concourse and some will be above.



Counting rows, by my count, the Saddledome had 24 rows in the lower bowl and 18 in the upper. The new arena will have 28 rows in the lower bowl and 14 in the upper. So, it's basically the same number of rows in the same horizontal space.

The one major difference is that there will be a suite/club level between the upper and lower bowl in the new arena that isn't in the Saddledome. This means the upper bowl will be about 1-2 stories higher than the upper bowl at the Saddledome (I believe). Because of that, the viewing angle will change, so the vertical distance between rows in the upper deck will likely need to be higher, to ensure you can see over the person in the front of you.

[Joborule]

Small update. The DP application has some updated exterior images in the evening. Same shots as before, but with better illustration of how it'll look.

[TheScorpion]

Ok I'm really starting to like the look.

[bluejays]

That looks a lot more timeless than the original pics where it looked like a value brand from the 80s. If they have it look like the dull concrete from the skydome era, it'll look horrible. If the reality is closer to the pictures and the concrete is patterned it'll look timeless. That's my initial thought.

[Manhattanboy]

Oh boy let’s go!!

[Enoch Root]

Trying to get the orientation figured out - the 2nd pic is looking at it from Vagabond, correct? (NW corner)

And the 1st pic is looking at it from the SW corner?

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Oh boy let’s go!!

That’s a rendering. You can’t go yet.

[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by Joborule

Small update. The DP application has some updated exterior images in the evening. Same shots as before, but with better illustration of how it'll look.

That looks fantastic.

[Freeway]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Trying to get the orientation figured out - the 2nd pic is looking at it from Vagabond, correct? (NW corner)

And the 1st pic is looking at it from the SW corner?

That's correct.

[Erick Estrada]

The only reservation I have is how those big panels will age over time. Will they require constant resurfacing or discolor? What are they made of? Aluminum or something?

[Badgers Nose]

Hello future place where I will drink many beers!

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Flames1217

That looks fantastic.

The south side looks interesting but the west and especially the north look very ugly and boring. I haven't seen the east side though.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Joborule

Small update. The DP application has some updated exterior images in the evening. Same shots as before, but with better illustration of how it'll look.

That looks like glass all the way up to the roof on the North-half of the West side. That looks amazing.

I wish there was a half-decent render of the Northeast corner.

Oh, and look ... it's the Saddledome(?)

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[underGRADFlame]

The corner that has the CEC on it would be a perfect place for the flames goalie mask!

[direwolf]

That looks pretty awesome. I'm diggin' it.

[PepsiFree]

I think the details look really good. Half of the west side being glass all the way up should please some people.

[curves2000]

Hopefully some really nice outdoor patio space. It would be good to have some drinks and dinner on nice evenings pre or post event.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

The only reservation I have is how those big panels will age over time. Will they require constant resurfacing or discolor? What are they made of? Aluminum or something?

its probably going to be some kind of custom perforated aluminum by the looks of it...Aluminum makes sense for corrosion resistance....could be raw or anodized (more expensive)

I think that the rendering doesn't show the steel substructure support (HSS) members that this will require (think of it as metal 'studs')

panels typically come out as 4x8' or 4x10' sheet, so you would need structural support that align with one of those dimensions...

any perforated surface allows the back structure to be seen though the perforations... or you can get dark spots, like the print margins of a poster... while you can get 'full bleed' prints, typically, this requires additional work to trim the edges.

With a perforated material, that would mean not perforating right up to the edges, as the HSS structure would be seen... while you can offset the panels from the structure using a girt (like hat channel) so the structure isn't right against the perforation, it is more work (and therefore cost) to do that as opposed to directly fastening the panels right onto the HSS...

no problem with perforated aluminum; not really a fan of the 'peeling back' aesthetic though as it harkens back to the 'deconstruction' aesthetic of the 80s... if you are under it, then you just see the underside of that (unless you double clad it)