Friedman: Flames have begun extension talks with Gaudreau & Eichel speculation

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by flambers

Flames will need to add 1 more dman for sure....

That would consume a portion of the remaining cap, however the question is how are they going to acquire a top 4 dman?

I would have thought the Flames would have made a move by now...

Line up has issues, and they have cap space.

Trades seem like the only path forward.....

I don't think a top 4 is required. I expect someone to play the RS next to Valimaki, a 6th D role.

Stone? Again? What do we know about Welinski?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by flambers

Flames will need to add 1 more dman for sure....



That would consume a portion of the remaining cap, however the question is how are they going to acquire a top 4 dman?



I would have thought the Flames would have made a move by now...



Line up has issues, and they have cap space.



Trades seem like the only path forward.....

I think it is obvious that everyone in the entire League is waiting for a shoe to drop. My guess is that a potential Eichel trade has completely frozen the market.


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[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Toonage

I don't think a top 4 is required. I expect someone to play the RS next to Valimaki, a 6th D role.

Stone? Again? What do we know about Welinski?

I think it would be wise to keep that #6 spot open for guys hungry enough to take it.

If we’re in the playoff race come TDL we can add a veteran blue liner at a reasonable cost if need be.

[Monahammer]

All of those other teams sure had to wait for the shoe to drop before shoring up their lineups...

OH wait.

[Poe969]

I hope the end up either signing or giving Vatanen PTO. I've always liked him and think he could help the team...unless they get a top 4 d through a trade or a prospect forces his way on the team.

[Igottago]

It's sort of tough to assess Treliving's work, because he's done a lot of good in his time as GM, but the overall team results are pretty poor. I'm not happy with the results of the rebuild, at all. One playoff round win early on during his tenure just doesn't cut it for me. If the plan had been working, we'd at least maybe have seen a couple times past the first round and building towards being a contender around this point, instead the team was almost in complete disarray last season. The coach selections until Sutter were terrible IMO, and the instability behind the bench is all on Treliving. But I think drafting has been decent overall and he's great at contracts. Despite the lack of success, I think there's some good pieces on the team and with Sutter behind the bench for a full season they could bounce back strong. But if this season doesn't go well, really that's got to be it for him. The results have to be there at some point.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

So you know my feelings?

What part of "seems to enjoy" would suggest I know anything? Was careful to not say exactly that.

Just see what you do, pretty much day in and day out on every single topic.

Sometimes if it looks like a duck, and walks like a duck ... it's a duck.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I hope the end up either signing or giving Vatanen PTO. I've always liked him and think he could help the team...unless they get a top 4 d through a trade or a prospect forces his way on the team.

I think he can play LD/RD too. He seems like an ideal partner to Zadorov or Valimaki.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I think it is obvious that everyone in the entire League is waiting for a shoe to drop. My guess is that a potential Eichel trade has completely frozen the market.


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Which is ridiculous - not your notion, but the actual fact of it.


The amount of actual suitors for Eichel is quite low. While the Flames, assuming they are in the running, can be forgiven for not making any other move, for the vast majority of the league, the lack of trades is for the same reason it always is: many GMs are hesitant to actually do their jobs, imo.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Ped

Which is ridiculous - not your notion, but the actual fact of it.


The amount of actual suitors for Eichel is quite low. While the Flames, assuming they are in the running, can be forgiven for not making any other move, for the vast majority of the league, the lack of trades is for the same reason it always is: many GMs are hesitant to actually do their jobs, imo.

I think it has much more to do with just how incredibly difficult it is to consumate trades in the capped NHL, when most teams are already at or over the cap.

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[cam_wmh]

Just browsing Capfriendly, and noticed the Preds have over $12m in cap space. Not sure if they have the assets, nor would it make sense with Duchene & Johansen. But, still they have the immediate space, less signing Tolvanen (~$2m).

[Stanley]

Originally Posted by flambers

Flames will need to add 1 more dman for sure....

That would consume a portion of the remaining cap, however the question is how are they going to acquire a top 4 dman?

I would have thought the Flames would have made a move by now...

Line up has issues, and they have cap space.

Trades seem like the only path forward.....

...calm before the storm?...

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I think it is obvious that everyone in the entire League is waiting for a shoe to drop. My guess is that a potential Eichel trade has completely frozen the market.


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Yeah. And any pressure to get the trade done is probably lower right now. At this point, he’s going to miss the start of the season either way. I think any team acquiring eichel should assume he won’t be ready till late November at the earliest.

If the flames do get eichel, I hope they are extremely conservative with his recovery… would rather give him extra time to come back as healthy and game-ready as possible than to rush him. We have seen Monahan play through injury and, while admirable, the diminished ability is not worth it.

Also, Eichel’s confidence in his health will be important for him to return to being a star player. If he’s going into any corner or to the front of the net focusing on his back being re-injured, I doubt he will ever be the player he was. Anyone that has had major injuries in sports can speak to this feeling - mostly at the back of your mind but sometimes you focus on it more when you take any kind of impacts/close calls on the ice. Part of it will be Eichel’s own focus/attitude and part of it will be allowing for the most complete recovery possible before putting him into NHL games so he as as confident in his health as he can be.


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[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

All of those other teams sure had to wait for the shoe to drop before shoring up their lineups...

OH wait.

How many teams have made more moves or more material changes than the Flames? Seems to me that they have made the types of changes that are pretty typical.
They shored up parts of their line up within the forward group and D.
One can debate if it will be enough, but it's not like the Flames did nothing.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

How many teams have made more moves or more material changes than the Flames? Seems to me that they have made the types of changes that are pretty typical.
They shored up parts of their line up within the forward group and D.
One can debate if it will be enough, but it's not like the Flames did nothing.

IMO the team that is most alike us in the east, Philadelphia: a team that was supposed to perform at a much higher level than they ended up performing. Huge roster changes while remaining competitive. It took guts to make the moves they made.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

IMO the team that is most alike us in the east, Philadelphia: a team that was supposed to perform at a much higher level than they ended up performing. Huge roster changes while remaining competitive. It took guts to make the moves they made.

Ok but frankly I disliked many of their moves. Not sure more is necessarily better. Are we advocating change for the sake of change?

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Ok but frankly I disliked many of their moves. Not sure more is necessarily better. Are we advocating change for the sake of change?

Some are. I'm not necessarily one of them but this will be the 3rd year of running it back with the same core. There has been additions/subtractions but the ones we depend on to carry the mail come playoff time are still here. Maybe the Flames do need a fresh voice or two in the core, even if its not a significant upgrade.

[Bingo]

Yeah the Flyers have made some questionable moves for sure ...

Ellis
Ristolanen
Atkinson

for

Patrick
Hague
1st
2nd
2nd
7th
Voracek
Gostisbehere

Certainly made better by the puzzling Voracek deal (why did Columbus do that?), but not sure they're actually better.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Yeah the Flyers have made some questionable moves for sure ...

Ellis
Ristolanen
Atkinson

for

Patrick
Hague
1st
2nd
2nd
7th
Voracek
Gostisbehere

Certainly made better by the puzzling Voracek deal (why did Columbus do that?), but not sure they're actually better.

The Flyers also sent away Phillipe Myers, who you missed.

But more to the point, I think you are both vastly underrating Ryan Ellis. Atkinson is also a hell of an addition. And Risto is as much a turnaround case at this point as Patrick was.

What did Philly have to lose? I am genuinely interested in your logic as you both seem to be applying the same logic to the current flames roster. The pack of stuff that Philly gave up is actually not that meaningful. Voracek is the most meaningful piece likely, and he was probably the best deal they made.

Philly wasn't winning anything with the team as constructed, they identified locker room issues, and they changed things up. I think we need to be so bold.

[Lanny_McDonald]

I think the clock is running out. Time to go to plan B in the process and rely on the fall back position to improve the team. There has to be at least an announcement of a Gaudreau extension by the opening of physicals. Otherwise, the next big announcement should be a change of leadership in management.