Friedman: Flames have begun extension talks with Gaudreau & Eichel speculation

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Just because some choose not to wallow in constant misery and whining like some of you doesn't mean that they are accepting of mediocrity. I think many have stated that they would support a full and proper re-build but also accept the reality that it is highly unlikely for this organization right now, regardless of who the GM is.

Don't confuse having a non-positive objective view of anything as wallowing in misery. Misery is the furthest thing from my day to day life. I consider myself a problem solver and when I see a problem I simply point it out and try to figure out how to fix it. I don't ever hope for failure as I would love Treliving to prove me wrong but time is running out for him.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Don't confuse having a non-positive objective view of anything as wallowing in misery. Misery is the furthest thing from my day to day life. I consider myself a problem solver and when I see a problem I simply point it out and try to figure out how to fix it. I don't ever hope for failure as I would love Treliving to prove me wrong but time is running out for him.

I generally find your contributions to be thoughtful and constructive, even though we often disagree.

Wasn't referring to you at all.

[442scotty]

I can’t wait until all the signings, trades etc are done! Crickets…. Nothing but crickets….

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

So you are saying the best thing Flames fans can hope for is a miracle? Sounds about right considering the current state of the franchise.

No, that’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying that the Canadiens aren’t my model of a successful franchise. A sole long PO run does not a good franchise make IMO, especially when it’s accomplished the way that one was.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

A full and proper rebuild is such a fantasy. How many teams have gone through a full and proper rebuild and actually been successful? There are way more failures in rebuilding than their are success stories. This is as annoying as the narrative of having to draft top three to win a cup, then using examples of teams who drafted in those slots a decade ago, or traded/signed players who were drafted that early. Finding the right mix in a team is very difficult and there is no one way to do it right. A scorched earth approach and doing "a proper rebuild" is no more a guarantee of success than grinding it out and finding talent where you can.

It takes about 8 years between a top 3 pick and a cup to come. Almost invariably the teams that win have top 3 picks. How do you get one of those without a full and proper rebuild?

It's funny that you often use the lottery analogy about top picks when your solution is to somehow strike gold in the mid to late first round and later draft rounds...

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

I can’t wait until all the signings, trades etc are done! Crickets…. Nothing but crickets….

Off season is not over yet

I was told

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Off season is not over yet

I was told

You're saying it is?

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Don't confuse having a non-positive objective view of anything as wallowing in misery. Misery is the furthest thing from my day to day life. I consider myself a problem solver and when I see a problem I simply point it out and try to figure out how to fix it. I don't ever hope for failure as I would love Treliving to prove me wrong but time is running out for him.

Or complaining means you hate the team

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

I can’t wait until all the signings, trades etc are done! Crickets…. Nothing but crickets….

Weekend before training camp.


Dis how we roll.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Don't confuse having a non-positive objective view of anything as wallowing in misery. Misery is the furthest thing from my day to day life. I consider myself a problem solver and when I see a problem I simply point it out and try to figure out how to fix it. I don't ever hope for failure as I would love Treliving to prove me wrong but time is running out for him.

None of the views expressed in this thread or any other are "objective." We all are incapable of escaping or often even recognising our own biases, and it is unhelpful to label one side by implication as somehow more or less rational and dispassionately committed to real problems and solutions.

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[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Off season is not over yet

I was told

You had to be told?

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[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Or complaining means you hate the team

You're a special case.

One can angle to the negative or to the constructive criticism.

But you're at a whole new level. You look for and state misery in pretty much every single topic.

Not sure you hate the team, only you would know that, but you seem to enjoy things going poorly more than the average guy. Hard to ignore the zeal!

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Bingo

You're saying it is?

Ok boss, I ‘ll wait for that big move until season opening

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Or complaining means you hate the team

Not at all.

But some will become suspicious when certain posters do nothing but complain about everything at every given opportunity.

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[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

None of the views expressed in this thread or any other are "objective." We all are incapable of escaping or often even recognising our own biases, and it is unhelpful to label one side by implication as somehow more or less rational and dispassionately committed to real problems and solutions.

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Yeah exactly.

We all have subjective opinions.

It's like when someone tells me they are a realist. Based on what? Why do you get to decide where that microscopic point between optimism and pessimism exists?

I know I annoy many with my optimistic takes on things, but honestly it's how I'm built. Did wonders for fighting cancer!

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Bingo

You're a special case.

One can angle to the negative or to the constructive criticism.

But you're at a whole new level. You look for and state misery in pretty much every single topic.

Not sure you hate the team, only you would know that, but you seem to enjoy things going poorly more than the average guy. Hard to ignore the zeal!

So you know my feelings?

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Weekend before training camp.


Dis how we roll.

This makes me wonder, do you think we'll see any PTOs this year? I mean, aside from Gallant which is for the Heat. Flames do love to give PTOs long looks. And occasionally a contract.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Ok boss, I ‘ll wait for that big move until season opening

Not your boss.

Have the Flames in the last 20 years ever gone into a season with ample cap space? Ever?

Once they sign their three RFAs they should have somewhere between $3.5M and $5M

That means change, and by default the off season clearly isn't over.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

So you know my feelings?

We can only form our opinions based on what you choose to project.

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[flambers]

Flames will need to add 1 more dman for sure....

That would consume a portion of the remaining cap, however the question is how are they going to acquire a top 4 dman?

I would have thought the Flames would have made a move by now...

Line up has issues, and they have cap space.

Trades seem like the only path forward.....