Canada Should Not Participate in the 2022 Winter Olympics

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

But it wasn't always like this, rampant consumerism created this issue.

But the USA, warts and all, is nowhere near the level of the Government of China (again I am not throwing dispersions at the Chinese people or those of Chinese heritage).

Personally, I'd be happy to spend more on an item knowing it didn't go to support the Chinese Government.

I have tried to buy less and less Made in China, but I will be honest it is hard and requires some research.

I guess we have to decide is we are a Democracy that espouses Human Rights or not.

Hey BTW I am waiting for this list:

Sanctions robust enough to genuinely hurt the Chinese regime would require government intervention in our market economy on a scale that no Western government is willing to undertake. Think of the uproar if a government imposed high tariffs on phones with parts made in China. And China responded by imposing tariffs on wheat, canola, and beef from North America. Our business and financial leaders would go ape####.

We don’t have the stomach to confront authoritarian states if it means any kind of economic or political sacrifice. Hungary and Poland are run by quasi-fascist governments where independent media, the judiciary, and political opposition have all been suppressed. And yet the EU has stood by and done nothing. Proposals for even mild rebukes of the authoritarian regimes were abandoned.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

We don’t have the stomach to confront authoritarian states if it means any kind of economic or political sacrifice. Hungary and Poland are run by quasi-fascist governments where independent media, the judiciary, and political opposition have all been suppressed. And yet the EU has stood by and done nothing. Proposals for even mild rebukes of the authoritarian regimes were abandoned.

You are correct, we have no interest.

I mean Poland and Hungary are in NATO FFS.

[Flamenspiel]

Come on Cliff, Hungary and Poland comparable to China? You don’t really mean that....

[CliffFletcher]

If you put Canada at one end of a scale of political freedom and China at the other, Hungary would be closer to China on that scale than to Canada. Hungary effectively no longer has an independent media or judiciary.

https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...ocracy/609313/

If the EU can’t muster the will to push back against authoritarian countries inside their own federation, countries that are weak economically and reliant on EU aid, how will they confront China?

[81MC]

Hopefully by recognizing that genocide of millions is much worse than forceful crackdowns on dissidents and media. I mean, yeah both really aren’t acceptable, but one is a little more pressing.

[Harry Lime]

Sure, it's fun to rail against Poland and Hungary, but if you want to see a NATO member who is taking a page from the government of China, look no further than Turkey. Destabilizing the region, and supporting attacks against a weaker and marginalized people in the Armenians, while antagonizing historical enemies like the Greeks.

Our backyard is still a shadow compared to the problems in China.

If there is going to be Olympic participation, and I think that there will be, it should be an opportunity to really be loud and present about Canadian values and that we will support those values globally. Hope that the Americans follow.

[Manhattanboy]

In light of the recent events in Georgia (MLB etc), a growing number of Americans are calling for the US to pull out of the China Olympics.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I'm not going to make a list of good things an ancient civilization like China has done. Science, culture, philosophy should suffice.

More recently, Chinese food and fighting the Japanese Empire from 1905-1945.

The governments of China have a long history of not giving a crap about their people. Before the second Sino-Japanese war, they were actually allied with Germany from 1921 to 1937 and millions of Chinese were killed during that time due to nationalistic policies. Then after the war, they recruited the same Japanese soldiers as mercenaries to fight against the communists. I mean sure, recruiting is maybe being generous. It was either that, or starve/freeze trying to make it back to Japan with nothing but the clothes on your back, but many of them received high ranks and then sanctuary in Taiwan after they lost to the communists

Just imagine what it would be like for an average Chinese to see their leaders pander for help to the enemy that literally raped your country. It's no wonder the communists won so much support after WW2. Not that they were gentle beasts either. The people basically went from one hell to another.

[Manhattanboy]

Michael Spavor just sentenced to 11 years in a Chinese prison on trumped up spying charges.

[activeStick]

Another convicted Canadian drug dealer and member of the UN gang who was convicted in Vancouver on drug charges before was also sentenced to death today for trafficking 222 keys of meth in China.

[Manhattanboy]

It seems there may be the possibility of a deportation order as part of a negotiated settlement between China and the US.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

It seems there may be the possibility of a deportation order as part of a negotiated settlement between China and the US.

The only negotiation is if we defy an extradition request from the US and let Ms. Meng fly back to China.

[CaptainCrunch]

Its in the hands of the American's and Chinese, we have to let the extradition process proceed.



We should absolutely not send a team to the Olympics.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Michael Spavor just sentenced to 11 years in a Chinese prison on trumped up spying charges.

This one hits closer to home than others. Many Calgarians including myself knew Michael Spavor when he was at U of C in the early 2000s.

[GirlySports]

Remember the NHL is going. Hockey Canada just announced their staff. It's business as usual.

The normal response "THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE, WE'LL LOOK INTO IT!" Then nothing.

[CaptainCrunch]

The second Michael's trial is I think next week and the expectation is that its going to be a harsher sentence.



With every prison term, the Chinese will put in the deportation order, its up to the family or government on what they're willing to pay for that release to happen before the execution of a prison sentence.



Also reading up on it, with the Chinese justice system a 11 year sentence is more like the sentence that the British used to use a lot of which is at the Queen's pleasure. Which means the government decides what the 11 years is, or if its in reverse dog years.



Those two Michael's have gone through absolute hell over the last three years. Constant interrogations, terrible prison conditions etc.



We can't just stop the extradition hearing after the government pushed on the whole Canada is a country that respects the justice system.


Yes we're caught between a rock and a hard place, between the Eagle and the Dragon. But at the same time we're still waiting for a decision over Huwei and 5g that is pissing off our 5 eyes partners. We've had a ton of cases of Chinese espionage in Canada. etc.

[edslunch]

Can anyone explain why the extradition case has been going in for three years? Either there are grounds for it or there aren’t. Yes appeals but how do they drag on so long. Is there no way to expedite this without railroading?

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by edslunch

Can anyone explain why the extradition case has been going in for three years? Either there are grounds for it or there aren’t. Yes appeals but how do they drag on so long. Is there no way to expedite this without railroading?

Because China can do what ever it wants?

[you&me]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

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With every prison term, the Chinese will put in the deportation order, its up to the family or government on what they're willing to pay for that release to happen before the execution of a prison sentence.
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Can you elaborate on this?

[CaptainCrunch]

From what I've read, China will attach a deportation order to every sentence, that is written like its to be completed after the prison sentence is over.



Since the Chinese government is intrinsically tied to their justice system especially when it comes to foreigners, the government can negotiate that the deportation order is executed and the sentence for example is commuted to a get out and don't come back ever.



Its in effect a shake down by the government of China.



I full expect that the one Canadian will eat a bullet and the bill sent to his family if Meng isn't set free, its a now we're serious moment.



This is a story of an American that was arbitrarily arrested and abused by China


https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/25/asia/...hnk/index.html


China does believe in hostage diplomacy. Its why Canadians should be encouraged not to go to China or reside there because they can simply dissapear and be sentenced in a behind closed door kangaroo court and then used as a bargaining chip.