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Old 08-10-2021, 06:27 PM   #121
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People love that free market until it doesn’t work out for them.
Suppose 1,000 people start shrieking on Twitter that green M&Ms are the work of Hitler, and 100 million people are fine with buying green M&Ms. M&M gives in to the Twitter mob and stops making green M&Ms. Did the free market have anything whatever to do with their decision? No, it did not.

But since you think it's stupid to like free markets, I suppose you would take your chances on a system where the government assigned people to lawyers and your clients had no say in whether they could hire you or not.
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Old 08-10-2021, 06:28 PM   #122
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I was unconvinced until you went all caps. Now I’ve seen the light.
You will never see any light. You have made it clear that you believe whatever is legal is right – but only for people you agree with. People who disagree with you have no rights whatever.

I work in an industry where careers are regularly destroyed by this kind of BS – careers that people spent decades of their lives building. Poof, gone in a moment – and usually because of a false accusation. But you don't care because you believe it can never happen to you, and you believe that everyone it does happen to must have deserved it.

God help your clients if you take that idea into your practice of the law.
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Old 08-10-2021, 06:31 PM   #123
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I think ppl need to start realizing that systematic racism and activism aren't words or likes. Like seriously I was looking for the post made by this guy that got him fired....no post just likes. What a dangerous person to give a job to.
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Old 08-10-2021, 06:31 PM   #124
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Congrats on being someone who would fire someone for liking one tweet?
I didn't even say anything on the subject. Chill

At least you are consistent.
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Old 08-10-2021, 06:32 PM   #125
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You will never see any light. You have made it clear that you believe whatever is legal is right – but only for people you agree with. People who disagree with you have no rights whatever.

I work in an industry where careers are regularly destroyed by this kind of BS – careers that people spent decades of their lives building. Poof, gone in a moment – and usually because of a false accusation. But you don't care because you believe it can never happen to you, and you believe that everyone it does happen to must have deserved it.

God help your clients if you take that idea into your practice of the law.
I’m drowning in the hyperbole.

Dude working in a high profile entertainment industry posted stuff this year that many people find offensive and people are shocked that he loses his position.
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So how many years in advance should Mr. Imoo have anticipated MLSE's social-media policy of 2021?



Bully for you. So you're fine with any horrible thing happening to people who are employees, simply because you feel a sense of personal immunity? Lovely.



Twitter mobs are not imaginary. Good grief, don't you even know what century you're living in? I HAVE SEEN MULTIPLE CAREERS DESTROYED BY TWITTER MOBS IN A SINGLE DAY. IT IS BLOODY EVIL. And you APPROVE of it!!!!!
We haven't even raised the fact that misconduct in an employee's personal life can give employers just cause to terminate an employee (no notice, no damages, no severance, etc.)

Senior employees have a clear fiduciary duty to protect the goodwill and reputation of the employer and not to do anything which may damage the company brand or reputation. All employees, regardless of their position, are subject to an implied duty of good faith and fidelity to their employer. Any conduct by any employee which is prejudicial or likely to be prejudicial to the interests or reputation of the employer may justify disciplinary action, including summary dismissal without notice. The conduct of employees which can damage the reputation of the employer is not limited to workplace conduct but extends to misconduct from an employee’s private life.

I stress again that these legal principles are not new. They have been around for many, many decades (probably hundreds of years in fact.)
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The chicks with dicks like was done like 3 weeks ago. It's not like they are going back to his 2009 twitter likes here.
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Suppose 1,000 people start shrieking on Twitter that green M&Ms are the work of Hitler, and 100 million people are fine with buying green M&Ms. M&M gives in to the Twitter mob and stops making green M&Ms. Did the free market have anything whatever to do with their decision? No, it did not.
Of course it did. In your hypothetical, M&M Inc. just happened to misjudge the market (which happens all of the time). In that case, the market will presumably punish M&M. Maybe the same will happen to MLSE? Only time will tell. But both decisions were driven by the market (and the decision-makers' perception of the market).

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But since you think it's stupid to like free markets, I suppose you would take your chances on a system where the government assigned people to lawyers and your clients had no say in whether they could hire you or not.
I'm pretty confident that GioforPM's point was not that it is stupid to like free markets.
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Old 08-10-2021, 06:41 PM   #129
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The chicks with dicks like was done like 3 weeks ago. It's not like they are going back to his 2009 twitter likes here.
I would have liked that post too. Its funny and sincere. People with testicle should not compete against ppl in the OLYMPICS without them. For so many damn reasons.
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I would have liked that post too. Its funny and sincere. People with testicle should not compete against ppl in the OLYMPICS without them. For so many damn reasons.

Congrats bro
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I’m drowning in the hyperbole.
No hyperbole.

One of my regular clients is the founder/publisher/editor of a significant webzine. You've never heard of it, but it's big in its field; publishes fiction primarily. It has a reputation for developing young writers who go on to win significant awards.

A few years ago, a Twitter mob attacked her for editing a story by a writer from the Caribbean, because the story was written in the patois of one particular island and she felt that some of the words needed to be either explained or translated into international English. To the mob, editing the story was a racist act, and proved that the publisher was a white-supremacist bigot.

I should mention that the person who actually did the line-edit on the story was a black woman from another Caribbean island – Trinidad, IIRC – who requested the changes because even she wasn't familiar with the patois of that particular island, and if she couldn't understand it, very few of the magazine's readers would.

But nothing would satisfy the Twitter mob, who had sniffed a racist and were determined to have blood. The magazine lost subscribers, it lost writers, it was loudly attacked online by people who had never read it and had no idea of the facts of the case. The bad publicity did tremendous damage to the value of my client's brand; but she survived, only because she was not part of a media conglomerate and there was nobody to fire her.

Fast-forward to this year. My client made a remark at a conference, to the effect that she doesn't like stories with token LGBT characters. By this she meant that if you have a character in a story whose sexual orientation is irrelevant to the action, it serves no good purpose to casually mention that the character happens to be gay, and you don't get ‘diversity points’ for including an LGBT character that way. The magazine has frequently published stories with LGBT main characters, in which their sexual activities played an important part in the plot; my client has no problem at all with those. But the same boobs on Twitter started crying for her blood again.

This time, they not only accused my client (falsely) of being homophobic, they actually demanded that she fire herself as editor and hire a replacement editor of their choosing, to print the stories that they wanted the magazine to contain – but of course she could continue to pay all the bills herself (plus wages for the new editor).

Imagine if someone organized a Twitter campaign to force you to take clients and cases of their choosing, and to do all that work on a pro-bono basis. That's what these people were demanding from my client – and all on the basis of a completely false accusation that they could not be arsed to investigate. They just wanted to bully someone.

No mob should have that kind of power over anyone. I won't defend Mr. Imoo's words or actions, but I will take his side against those who want to kick him out of his profession, because nobody deserves that kind of treatment, and none of us are safe against false accusations or suddenly changing standards.

Now go ahead and sneer at me some more from your position of comfortable champagne-socialist superiority.
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Congrats bro
Thank you, I'm a very active feminist, and I don't like seeing men compete in what is supposed to be an even playing field for women. But I'm sure you assumed that and not that I'm a transphobe bigot or anything else scandalous.
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The chicks with dicks like was done like 3 weeks ago. It's not like they are going back to his 2009 twitter likes here.
Can't expect him to follow MLSE's social media policy in August 2021 in July of 2021. So much has changed in the last 3 weeks. IS HE SUPPOSED TO BE CLAIRVOYANT??
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Are there even transgender women who were not born female competing in women's sports? The only one I'm aware of is Quinn from the Canadian women's soccer team, and they were born a woman and are just non-binary. There's no concern about fairness there.

If anything, people should take serious moral issue with the "one name" thing.
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We haven't even raised the fact that misconduct in an employee's personal life can give employers just cause to terminate an employee (no notice, no damages, no severance, etc.)
The employer is not the one who gets to decide what constitutes misconduct in such a case. That is for the courts.

The rest of your argument boils down to, ‘This is legal, therefore it is right.’ That is a puerile belief.
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Thank you, I'm a very active feminist, and I don't like seeing men compete in what is supposed to be an even playing field for women. But I'm sure you assumed that and not that I'm a transphobe bigot or anything else scandalous.
Feminists are the new bigots, haven't you heard?
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Feminists are the new bigots, haven't you heard?
I wouldn't be surprised. The goal posts seem to move regularly.
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Can't expect him to follow MLSE's social media policy in August 2021 in July of 2021. So much has changed in the last 3 weeks. IS HE SUPPOSED TO BE CLAIRVOYANT??
Is he required to have followed MLSE's social-media policy before they hired him?
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The rest of your argument boils down to, ‘This is legal, therefore it is right.’ That is a puerile belief.
You've declared that the fact that something may be legal does not make it right. Fair enough. What does make something right? You seem very sure that you know whether something is right, I'm wondering how you've managed to figure it out with such certainty.
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I wouldn't be surprised. The goal posts seem to move regularly.
You've never heard the term "TERF"?
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Are there even transgender women who were not born female competing in women's sports?
Numerous ones. It's become a major issue, especially since a number of those transwomen have broken records in their events.
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