[News] Leafs part ways with recently hired goalie coach after social media history comes up

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Have you even looked at his feed? It’s non stop.

Whose feed? I don't do Twitter, and frankly, you haven't got enough money to induce me to do so.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

The argument is that MLSE specifically stated that they were terminating the employee because of his social media posts. They have a legal right to fire him for a good reason, a bad reason, or no reason at all. That doesn't mean that their stated reason is a good one.

We'll, it's pretty clear that having Imoo as an employee was not good for their brand (which is worth many millions of dollars). That seems like a pretty good reason to me.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Whose feed? I don't do Twitter, and frankly, you haven't got enough money to induce me to do so.

Imoo’s. The one in question. The one where he quotes and retweets and likes stuff.

Are you telling me you are going off on this without even knowing what was said?

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Imoo’s. The one in question. The one where he quotes and retweets and likes stuff.

Are you telling me you are going off on this without even knowing what was said?

I'm telling you that no human being deserves to lose his career over liking posts on Twitter. Point me at something he himself actually said, and we can talk about that.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Deleted.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

I'm telling you that no human being deserves to lose his career over liking posts on Twitter. Point me at something he himself actually said, and we can talk about that.

I’m pointing at a steady stream of stuff he supported. He wants to be employed by a high public profile company? He needs to be smarter or lose his job.

As for his career, the dude is 51 years old and a minor hockey league goalie coach, tied to a single goalie. I guess he should have thought of that.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

I'm telling you that no human being deserves to lose his career over liking posts on Twitter. Point me at something he himself actually said, and we can talk about that.

Human beings lose their careers every day for reasons a lot less blameworthy than liking posts on Twitter (for example, a lot of human beings in Alberta recently lost their careers when, due to complex combination of international economic and political events, the price of oil dropped 50%).

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

I'm telling you that no human being deserves to lose his career over liking posts on Twitter. Point me at something he himself actually said, and we can talk about that.

I didn’t realize he lost his career. I just thought he lost his job for doing stupid stuff online. Where was it declared that he would no longer ever be employable in any country on earth? Wow this is getting serious.

So to be clear it is not his personal responsibility to ensure his public facing persona aligns with the values of the places he chooses to work, but instead it is the responsibility of the company to accept any and everyone who works there regardless of how they present themselves in the public eye. Strong stance.

[Manhattanboy]

Deleted. Agreed. Was a bad joke.

Apologies.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Makarov

Human beings lose their careers every day for reasons a lot less blameworthy than liking posts on Twitter (for example, a lot of human beings in Alberta recently lost their careers when, due to complex combination of international economic and political events, the price of oil dropped 50%).

Most of the jobs I've ever had no longer exist. Many of them didn't exist yet when I first entered the workforce. Economic and technological changes happen.

But here we aren't talking about a guy who lost his job because a bunch of hockey teams went out of business, or because goalie coaches suddenly became obsolete. He lost his job for a reason that had nothing to do with his performance, nothing to do with any of his actions in the workplace, nothing to do with his employer's on-the-job requirements, and everything to do with appeasing a Twitter mob.

If you are incapable of seeing the difference, I guess we have nothing to discuss.

[GioforPM]

The Leafs have made it clear he would never have been hired to begin with but for their failure in usual due diligence procedures. So he hasn’t lost anything that he would have otherwise had anyway.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Most of the jobs I've ever had no longer exist. Many of them didn't exist yet when I first entered the workforce. Economic and technological changes happen.

But here we aren't talking about a guy who lost his job because a bunch of hockey teams went out of business, or because goalie coaches suddenly became obsolete. He lost his job for a reason that had nothing to do with his performance, nothing to do with any of his actions in the workplace, nothing to do with his employer's on-the-job requirements, and everything to do with appeasing a Twitter mob.

If you are incapable of seeing the difference, I guess we have nothing to discuss.

Again, you haven’t seen his feed do how do you know? People brought things to the Leafs’ attention that would have resulted in him not being hired anyway. That’s not a “mob”.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Deleted. Agreed. Was a bad joke in poor taste.

Apologies.

We all like second shantzes

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Deleted. Agreed. Was a bad joke in poor taste.

Apologies.

No worries man.
I deleted my response as well to wipe it from the world feel free to delete my quote from you response.
Although, oh man, now we are stuck in an endless loop of people wondering what was said. We'll never get out.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

I didn’t realize he lost his career. I just thought he lost his job for doing stupid stuff online. Where was it declared that he would no longer ever be employable in any country on earth? Wow this is getting serious.

That's how it works. No NHL club, and no team affiliated with an NHL club, is ever going to hire him again. Minor hockey in North America won't hire him because he's blacklisted from the NHL. He'd better be damned good at a language other than English or French if he wants to get a similar job overseas.

So yes, he's unemployable.

So to be clear it is not his personal responsibility to ensure his public facing persona aligns with the values of the places he chooses to work, but instead it is the responsibility of the company to accept any and everyone who works there regardless of how they present themselves in the public eye. Strong stance.

Let me put it another way: You are saying that he is not allowed to have any opinions, beliefs, values, or make any personal statements of his own, but instead it is his responsibility always and everywhere to agree with the stated values of his employer – even retroactively.

If you said something 10 years ago that your current employer decided just today to disapprove of, you can be fired, and once fired, you will be blacklisted, because no HR department has the guts to face down a Twitter mob. You like that system, do you?

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The Leafs have made it clear he would never have been hired to begin with but for their failure in usual due diligence procedures. So he hasn’t lost anything that he would have otherwise had anyway.

Except that now it's out there, people are pronouncing severe judgement on him, and nobody else is going to hire him either. He's finished.

[Badgers Nose]

Hopefully they part ways with the person whose job it was to back check this hire.

Probably some old consultant that check for criminal records, drug use but haven’t caught up with social media yet. Old guy in a dark stained oak office, with riveted leather chairs, “yeah we’ll do a thorough check on him. Fax me the PO!’

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Except that now it's out there, people are pronouncing severe judgement on him, and nobody else is going to hire him either. He's finished.

Well, if his published views are making him unhireable, who’s fault is that?

[BarDown]

I'm very surprised that the leafs didn't bother to do a basic vetting of social media before making the hire. I have no problem with them deciding to end the employment relationship because they don't want to have their brand associated with his values. I just can't wrap my head around them putting themselves in this position in the first place.

For anyone saying this is unfair, cancel culture, etc... if the leafs had done their homework there wouldn't even be anything to cancel. He just wouldn't have been hired in the first place... and there would be no story. That is the risk that anyone takes when they "like" tweets like those in question. It's not just that the likes are of highly questionable (or outright offensive) content. It's s that they demonstrate extremely poor judgement: If he didn't think publicly liking a "chicks with dicks" tweet might cause issues for him when applying for a job with one of the highest profile organizations in Canada (and one that attracts near 24/7 media attention), and that also happens to lend its brand, players, etc. to LTGBQ causes.... well then I'm not sure you can expect him to exercise any level of good judgement as an employee.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Most of the jobs I've ever had no longer exist. Many of them didn't exist yet when I first entered the workforce. Economic and technological changes happen.

But here we aren't talking about a guy who lost his job because a bunch of hockey teams went out of business, or because goalie coaches suddenly became obsolete. He lost his job for a reason that had nothing to do with his performance, nothing to do with any of his actions in the workplace, nothing to do with his employer's on-the-job requirements, and everything to do with appeasing a Twitter mob.

If you are incapable of seeing the difference, I guess we have nothing to discuss.

I'm pretty confident that MLSE includes as a requirement for every high profile position in its organization that employees not publicly say or do things which harm the reputation and brand of MLSE. Maybe a requirement to generally show good judgment as well? Seems perfectly reasonable to me.

In fact, there's a pretty compelling argument that MLSE was stupid (and failed to fulfill its duty to its shareholders) by hiring Imoo in the first place. Failing to terminate him in the face of clear damage to the organization would be an even worse dereliction of duty