Given the players draft position, the former was much more accurate describing the pieces than our top picks ever.
Did ANY of the players listed go on to perform as well as Zary, Pelletier, Tkachuk, or Valimaki post draft? No. The closest was Baertschi, and even he was questioned because of some real glaring weaknesses in his game. The rest of those players never really took the next big step like the players bounced around in the article. It was a bad comparison.
How quickly we forget Emile Poirier's promise post draft.
Him and Klimchuk had very similar D+1 seasons to Pelletier and Zary. I like our current prospects more too, but talk about hindsight blinding everyone.
Poirier D+1:
63gp 43g 44 a 87points 1.3ppg
Pelletier D+1:
57gp 32g 50a 82points 1.44ppg
Klimchuk D+1:
57gp 30g 44a 74points 1.3 ppg
Zary D+1:
15gp 6g 18a 24points 1.6 ppg
I grouped them this way because of league. Size and playstyle wise they are actually more Klimchuk=Pelletier and Poirier=Zary. They were all drafted in similar positions and have very similar scouting reports.
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More accurately, that should be, "We can't trade all of Monahan, Bennett, Tkachuk, or Valimaki in a deal for one player, it would be a crippling hit to our organization."
We saw how crippling to the team it was when a single one of the players turned into a pumpkin. We ruminate over the fact that Sam Bennett never turned into the player he was supposed to be. Imagine removing all of them and having none of them turn into the players they did? How would this team look right now? How would the organization have developed?
Also, Gillies wasn't a first rounder, so another swing and a miss.
So you think that trading a 6th overall, 4th overall, 5th overall and 14th overall is equivalent to including a 24th overall, 26th overall, 14th overall, 5th overall?
The trade you proposed is dramatically different than trading our current slate of prospects. That was a handful of top 10 drafted prospects.
For the record, I didn't even propose that. I proposed that we could include Tkachuk at a value of "3" 1sts.
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Poirier was a complete stud of a prospect. I won't repeat what was already mentioned, but I would like to add that he was physical, that he played on an edge, and that he was really fast. He was also very good defensively, and had more goals on the fricken PK than on the PP. I wasn't too high on Klimchuk personally (or Gillies at all), but Poirier was a brilliant pick at the time, and if not for his personal demons, would probably have become a valuable piece on the Flames right now.
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My point was only that prospects can look great in a lot of situations and still never impact the future of the NHL club. Our team isn't seemingly trying to rebuild for contention in 3-5 years, rather trying to compete in the next 3. Ergo, we should not waste too much time worrying about potential when thinking of using them as trade chips.
i dunno... did anyone really have high expectations for Klimchuk, Poirier or Jon Gillies?
I think with Sven Baertschi, people were really excited for him, but I don't think anyone viewed Klimchuk, Poirer and Gilles as having anywhere close to the potential to Pelletier, Zary, Valimaki or Coronato
Not sure about Coronato yet but Gillies was a starting goalie for the US team and Poirrier was just as good as Pelletier and Zary. Good but no blue chip prospect. I expect them to be Dube type player in the NHL. They can be better or worse but that would be a surprise or disappointment.
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Poirier was a complete stud of a prospect. I won't repeat what was already mentioned, but I would like to add that he was physical, that he played on an edge, and that he was really fast. He was also very good defensively, and had more goals on the fricken PK than on the PP. I wasn't too high on Klimchuk personally (or Gillies at all), but Poirier was a brilliant pick at the time, and if not for his personal demons, would probably have become a valuable piece on the Flames right now.
Agreed, he had it all. His speed was crazy for someone with as choppy skating as he had. Mechanics didn't line up but the guy could fly.
It's unfortunate for both the Flames and himself as he would of likely turned into a very solid middle six winger.
