[Signing] Flames re-sign Kylington (1 yr, $750k, 2 way)

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

That was the same year Treliving gave up assets for Forbort and Gustafsson to shore up LD.

The real situation was this:

Kulak wanted 1.1M 1-way
Tre wanted 500k 2-way

Arbitrator hands Kulak 900k 1-way

Tre is pissed, and first waives Kulak in the offseason (bizarre, unusual move) to make an example of him, and then trades Kulak in preseason to Montreal basically to say to everyone else "if the team has a bad year and you want to get paid, GTFO"

Petulance at its finest.

https://theathletic.com/1129275/2019...ut-to-be-bust/

I doubt very much he was pissed. It's business.

[slcrocket]

Originally Posted by schteve_d

It's time for Oliver to kytt or get off the pot.

Well done.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I doubt very much he was pissed. It's business.

Waiving a player multiple times during the offseason to try and kill his value league wide isn’t business, it’s kind of scummy actually

He then traded him for negative value to a team where he was further down the depth chart at the start of the season

It was a “don’t take us to arbitration” message. That article does a very good job summing up Brad’s complete lack of logic and how it ultimately backfired on him

[neo45]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

That was the same year Treliving gave up assets for Forbort and Gustafsson to shore up LD.

The real situation was this:

Kulak wanted 1.1M 1-way
Tre wanted 500k 2-way

Arbitrator hands Kulak 900k 1-way

Tre is pissed, and first waives Kulak in the offseason (bizarre, unusual move) to make an example of him, and then trades Kulak in preseason to Montreal basically to say to everyone else "if the team has a bad year and you want to get paid, GTFO"

Petulance at its finest.

https://theathletic.com/1129275/2019...ut-to-be-bust/

Good article but it was actually the year he traded a 4th for Fantenberg (out of the league now) because he needed a Kulak type

[neo45]

Originally Posted by Robbob

Really? I saw it the other way. Treliving didn't see him as part of the team and traded him to give him another opportunity elsewhere. Gio, Brodie, Hanifin, Hamonic, Andersson, Stone, Valamaki, and Kylington were on the roster to start the year.

People keep saying this but he actually started out lower on the Habs depth chart than here so it’s obviously not true

If he wanted to give him an opportunity he wouldn’t have qualified him. It was about sending a message to not play hardball

Waiving him multiple times is pretty bush league on this org’s part in fact. Kind of glad the karma came around on us and the childish antics didn’t derail his career too badly

[Freeway]

League minimum in 2018-19 was $650,000.
Part of the logic behind the Flames wanting a two-way arbitration award was maintaining financial flexibility in the event Juuso Valimaki made the team out of camp.
The trade itself was a calculated gamble; the club got two cheaper AHL players for Kulak, who would've been a depth defender slotted behind Valimaki going forward. (I didn't love that trade, though, as a pick probably would've had more long-term value than Taormina or Valiev).

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by neo45

People keep saying this but he actually started out lower on the Habs depth chart than here so it’s obviously not true

If he wanted to give him an opportunity he wouldn’t have qualified him. It was about sending a message to not play hardball

Waiving him multiple times is pretty bush league on this org’s part in fact. Kind of glad the karma came around on us and the childish antics didn’t derail his career too badly

The problem with the article is that it starts with a premise that is assumed and not proven.

"Brad Treliving and the Flames brain trust reacted rather harshly to Kulak’s arbitration request."

Assumes the motivations behind the decisions instead of just reporting on the decisions themselves.

So the article starts with an unproven premise and then just goes from there.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I doubt very much he was pissed. It's business.

It's more representative of a pattern of behavior by the GM that puts a higher value on retread castoffs than it does internal, homegrown players that are likely to match or even outperform anyone of these external castoffs at a similar or even lower cost. If not even one of the Flames young support players (Kylington, Mackey, Ruzicka, Gawdin, Phillips) are not deemed to be worthy or better than retread players like Lewis, Richie, Pitlick, Froese, Welinski, Stone at this point, then Tre has completely failed as a manager and his mandate to build a pipeline of talent over the last 7 years.

Treliving is simply not a good GM, which is further evident by this middle ground he has the franchise perpetually stuck in. He's seemingly missed the boat on the trade market once again this year and one has to wonder how any competent manager could possibly go back to the well again or continue to be so obtuse to think the same approach will yield different results.

[sureLoss]

https://calgarysun.com/sports/hockey...ng-with-flames

“I think they want me back for a reason,” Kylington said. “Whatever happened last year, to be honest with you I don’t know but I don’t want to dwell on that too much. I just want to give my best and show that I can play for real and be an impact (player) for this team.

“I’m feeling more ready than ever now.”

In those brief cameos under Sutter, Kylington saw enough to become convinced that he fits nicely into the system. He may not be the big-and-bruising d-man who hockey fans associate with Sutter, but he believes he fits in other ways.

“Yeah, I love, actually, the way we play and the way Darryl wants us to play,” Kylington said. “Those games I played under Darryl, I felt really good, so I mean, I think our system fits me really good and I just want to make an impact and adapt my style of play.”

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

The problem with the article is that it starts with a premise that is assumed and not proven.

"Brad Treliving and the Flames brain trust reacted rather harshly to Kulak’s arbitration request."

Assumes the motivations behind the decisions instead of just reporting on the decisions themselves.

So the article starts with an unproven premise and then just goes from there.

Almost every organization has waived or traded for peanuts some prospect that turns out better for the other team. Plenty are mistakes and plenty are just new surroundings.

[CroFlames]

According to that article, he's actually playing for the Stamps. I think he's got potential as a WR.

After signing a one-year contract with the Stamps on Monday, Kylington believes there’s a lot more to come in a Flames uniform.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

It's more representative of a pattern of behavior by the GM that puts a higher value on retread castoffs than it does internal, homegrown players that are likely to match or even outperform anyone of these external castoffs at a similar or even lower cost. If not even one of the Flames young support players (Kylington, Mackey, Ruzicka, Gawdin, Phillips) are not deemed to be worthy or better than retread players like Lewis, Richie, Pitlick, Froese, Welinski, Stone at this point, then Tre has completely failed as a manager and his mandate to build a pipeline of talent over the last 7 years.

Treliving is simply not a good GM, which is further evident by this middle ground he has the franchise perpetually stuck in. He's seemingly missed the boat on the trade market once again this year and one has to wonder how any competent manager could possibly go back to the well again or continue to be so obtuse to think the same approach will yield different results.

This Flames don't graduate young players thing has been debunked many times. No team shows up at camp with an assumption that all their young tweeners are ready. If you look around the league you will see plenty of similar signings.

The Flames have drafted very well in the past few years so the pipeline has expanded as we can see in rankings like Bader's.

It would be better if he hadn't moved pick capital four years ago for sure.

The summer isn't over so the rest you state as "simply" is far from that.

I'm really getting the feeling you don't like the GM.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

It's more representative of a pattern of behavior by the GM that puts a higher value on retread castoffs than it does internal, homegrown players that are likely to match or even outperform anyone of these external castoffs at a similar or even lower cost. If not even one of the Flames young support players (Kylington, Mackey, Ruzicka, Gawdin, Phillips) are not deemed to be worthy or better than retread players like Lewis, Richie, Pitlick, Froese, Welinski, Stone at this point, then Tre has completely failed as a manager and his mandate to build a pipeline of talent over the last 7 years.

Treliving is simply not a good GM, which is further evident by this middle ground he has the franchise perpetually stuck in. He's seemingly missed the boat on the trade market once again this year and one has to wonder how any competent manager could possibly go back to the well again or continue to be so obtuse to think the same approach will yield different results.

That's nice, but I'm not particularly swayed by someone who has decided what Treliving is as a GM and proceeds to interpret all goings-on in a way that strictly fits the narrative in their head. It's not objective and not that interesting and it's a bit dramatic for me, to be honest.

Hey, if you don't like Treliving, that's cool, I don't find him all that great either. But the "everything he does can be twisted to show why he's the worst!" thing is a bit old. Sometimes things simply are as they are, and not some part of a made-up pattern. There isn't really a shortage of homegrown, quality players, who have made the jump under Treliving. But have your fantasy, if you want.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

That's nice, but I'm not particularly swayed by someone who has decided what Treliving is as a GM and proceeds to interpret all goings-on in a way that strictly fits the narrative in their head. It's not objective and not that interesting and it's a bit dramatic for me, to be honest.

Hey, if you don't like Treliving, that's cool, I don't find him all that great either. But the "everything he does can be twisted to show why he's the worst!" thing is a bit old. Sometimes things simply are as they are, and not some part of a made-up pattern. There isn't really a shortage of homegrown, quality players, who have made the jump under Treliving. But have your fantasy, if you want.

Right? Narratives are so old. Plus they are so inconsistent. Trelivings is both in on everything and sitting on his hands. He's a guy who spends too much capital but also one who gets outbid all the time. He dislikes graduating players but also he rushed Bennett. "Smartest guy in the room" but also "too chicken".

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Right? Narratives are so old. Plus they are so inconsistent. Trelivings is both in on everything and sitting on his hands. He's a guy who spends too much capital but also one who gets outbid all the time. He dislikes graduating players but also he rushed Bennett. "Smartest guy in the room" but also "too chicken".

Exhausting, honestly. Happy to hear reasonable opinions on Treliving's mistakes, there's really no shortage, but every little thing doesn't deserve a mini-rant about Treliving's history of incompetency. People need a hobby.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Exhausting, honestly. Happy to hear reasonable opinions on Treliving's mistakes, there's really no shortage, but every little thing doesn't deserve a mini-rant about Treliving's history of incompetency. People need a hobby.

I suspect this is their hobby.