Friedman: Flames have begun extension talks with Gaudreau & Eichel speculation

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by comixzone

oh he’ll be dancing like he’s never danced before

fyp

[djsFlames]

You could even forget Tarasenko and look at Parayko, Kyrou and a high pick that goes to Buffalo.

Recoup some offense on the blue line and a top 9 youngster that could project to be on the top 6 by seasons end.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Nelson

According to Dom L. from The Athletic, the Flames have had the 20th best offseason and gotten worse. Why? It’s because they lost the great man and the great defenceman, Mark Giordano.

20. Calgary Flames

Wins Added: -1.3 wins

Salary Added: -$1.3 million

In: Blake Coleman, Tyler Pitlick, Nikita Zadorov, Andy Welinski, Trevor Lewis

Out: Mark Giordano, Derek Ryan, Josh Leivo, Dominik Simon

Blake Coleman was a great add for Calgary, a power forward with the ability to play in the top six. But the Flames aren’t a better team after this offseason because they haven’t been able to replace what they lost in expansion: captain Mark Giordano. That’s a huge hole to fill on the blue line and Nikita Zadorov isn’t the guy to fill it. Giordano was still a No. 1 calibre defenceman last year creating a void on the team’s blue line. Coleman makes the Flames better up front, but it’s not to cover up that loss.

A little premature to put in a score on the Flames offseason I'd say.

We've seen maybe half of our offseason transactions to this point.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

A little premature to put in a score on the Flames offseason I'd say.

We've seen maybe half of our offseason transactions to this point.

I'd wager we're pretty much done barring one or two more trades. I'm not sure what else can be done unless an Eichel trade forces us to shift the roster around. Either way we are well past the half mark with three trades and multiple FA signings.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

I'd wager we're pretty much done barring one or two more trades. I'm not sure what else can be done unless an Eichel trade forces us to shift the roster around. Either way we are well past the half mark with three trades and multiple FA signings.

How much?

there is no way the team goes into this season with the roster as is...Brad likely wants to be an NHL GM for more than a few months

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

A little premature to put in a score on the Flames offseason I'd say.

We've seen maybe half of our offseason transactions to this point.

It’s an update, not a final score. There are still six and a half weeks until training camp. I’m still hoping for Eichel. We can have nice things!

(It actually wasn’t about the Flames’ offseason. It was about the Giordano is a useless captain comment.)

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I believe I read that our offense from defensemen was in the last third of the league last year, so that cost us some games. Now, we lost our top-scoring d-man, so hopefully Tre has something up his sleeve. Our young guys can pick up some of the slack by committee, but we need another top-4.

We lost our transition guy (Brodie) last summer, creating a big hole. Now we’ve lost our number 1 D, Gio. The hole left by Brodie is now looking like the Horseshoe Canyon with the loss of Gio. And the worst part is that we got nothing back for both.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

He’s not wrong. It’s also why Treliving isn’t finished though.

Really though if the rest of the league is nearly finished so is Treliving whether he is finished or not. It's pretty difficult to make big deals this time of year. Buffalo is on their own schedule with Eichel and sure there's teams like the Blues that would like to offload a player like Tarasenko I don't see a lot of teams looking to make big moves with their rosters set going into next season. It's why the rest of the league made their big moves the weeks before the draft as that's the time to make big changes not after.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Really though if the rest of the league is nearly finished so is Treliving whether he is finished or not. It's pretty difficult to make big deals this time of year. Buffalo is on their own schedule with Eichel and sure there's teams like the Blues that would like to offload a player like Tarasenko I don't see a lot of teams looking to make big moves with their rosters set going into next season. It's why the rest of the league made their big moves the weeks before the draft as that's the time to make big changes not after.

Exactly right. Treliving may want things to happen so he can improve his team through trade, but if other teams have become comfortable with their lineups, or holding firm on what they want in return for their players, then there may not be a trade out there to happen. There are windows to make deals. The closer we get to training camp the less likely a deal is to happen. If Treliving is hoping to make a deal here or there, he better get cracking. Big moves don’t usually happen towards training camps. Not saying a trade won’t happen, Gretzky was traded in early August, but the odds of anything significant continue to drop.

[Nelson]

I think the areas where Treliving could most improve the team through free agency are 4th line centre and 3rd pairing right defence. Those are minor roles, but I would feel more comfortable if the Flames at least had Anisimov and Vatanen or Demers available. Gawdin or Ruzicka could prove incapable of outscoring their opponents over 82 games, and the Flames’ young left-handed defencemen could prove incapable of hacking it on their off side at the NHL level.

[dissentowner]

I am ok with our team as is going into the season if that is what ends up happening. Obviously I would love an Eichel or a Tarasenko to help put pucks in the net and we could use another top 4 D but I think a full training camp and season under Sutter will show this team was much better than they showed last year.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I am ok with our team as is going into the season if that is what ends up happening. Obviously I would love an Eichel or a Tarasenko to help put pucks in the net and we could use another top 4 D but I think a full training camp and season under Sutter will show this team was much better than they showed last year.

Ya for me it's Eichel or go with basically what we have with a depth D signing. If Sutter has the team in a good spot at the deadline then I hope for a decent add and hopefully a contract for johnny. If the team is middling or out of it then I hope to see a major sell off and the start of a patient rebuild.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Things that MUST be done before training camp opens:

1). Contract for Gaudreau. This cannot stretch out into training camp or the season. If this does, Treliving needs to be relieved of his duties immediately. This guy allows way too many distractions to exist around this team. Get your players focused on only winning games.

2). Have resolution to the Tkachuk issue. Again, eliminate distractions.

3). Find another quality defenseman that can play in the top four if pressed. Not happy with what we have left.

4). Find one more forward with some finishing ability. Don’t care about position, although a RW would be great, but find another guy that can put the puck in the net. If you can push Coleman into a third line role, you have a damn good team.

5). Get the team focused! The only thing they need to be concerned about is playing hockey, winning games, and getting out of the gate quickly. PERIOD.

Those are must haves before camps open. Without those things happening I see us spinning our wheels again.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Things that MUST be done before training camp opens:

1). Contract for Gaudreau. This cannot stretch out into training camp or the season. If this does, Treliving needs to be relieved of his duties immediately. This guy allows way too many distractions to exist around this team. Get your players focused on only winning games.

2). Have resolution to the Tkachuk issue. Again, eliminate distractions.

3). Find another quality defenseman that can play in the top four if pressed. Not happy with what we have left.

4). Find one more forward with some finishing ability. Don’t care about position, although a RW would be great, but find another guy that can put the puck in the net. If you can push Coleman into a third line role, you have a damn good team.

5). Get the team focused! The only thing they need to be concerned about is playing hockey, winning games, and getting out of the gate quickly. PERIOD.

Those are must haves before camps open. Without those things happening I see us spinning our wheels again.

Maybe you are unaware, but Trev cannot make Jonny sign a contract.

And it won’t be easy getting a top 4 dman and top 6 forward with affecting the strength of the rest of the team or the cap.


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[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Rick M.

We lost our transition guy (Brodie) last summer, creating a big hole. Now we’ve lost our number 1 D, Gio. The hole left by Brodie is now looking like the Horseshoe Canyon with the loss of Gio. And the worst part is that we got nothing back for both.

I think the fact the flames lost both guys for nothing is not the worst part and it is in fact irrelevant.

Brodie was not some phenomenal asset that was returning a 1st or top prospect at the deadline. I also think he could have been retained by the team if they matched or slightly increased the offer the Leafs gave Brodie but instead they swapped 1 30 year old Dman for another and in terms of overall value to the team they upgraded to Tanev for less money.

I know the Flames got off to a rough start in the Brodie co tract year but were a top 10 team in the league under Peters and were trending in the right direction for the playoffs. I don’t get how the team was supposed to just throw in the towel when they were trending in the right direction?

Gio loss is tough but better they lose him for nothing than pay for him to stay. The Flames likely thought there was a path to retaining Gio but when Francis wouldn’t budge on his price they made the right call.


When it comes to Johnny they simply can’t roll the dice. I really hope this isn’t a distraction or story all year and they get him signed before camp.if Johnny walks for nothing then I just don’t see how Treliving can remain in his role. This team is aiming to compete so Johnny won’t be deadline bait so they better sign him. Walking him to the deadline like the Avs did with Landeskog is not going to end well for the Flames so I hope they get it done ASAP

[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Things that MUST be done before training camp opens:

1). Contract for Gaudreau. This cannot stretch out into training camp or the season. If this does, Treliving needs to be relieved of his duties immediately. This guy allows way too many distractions to exist around this team. Get your players focused on only winning games.

2). Have resolution to the Tkachuk issue. Again, eliminate distractions.

3). Find another quality defenseman that can play in the top four if pressed. Not happy with what we have left.

4). Find one more forward with some finishing ability. Don’t care about position, although a RW would be great, but find another guy that can put the puck in the net. If you can push Coleman into a third line role, you have a damn good team.

5). Get the team focused! The only thing they need to be concerned about is playing hockey, winning games, and getting out of the gate quickly. PERIOD.

Those are must haves before camps open. Without those things happening I see us spinning our wheels again.

Agreed completely.

Flames need to find a way to get a top 6 RW and and top 4 LD.

A player like Silfverberg might be available at a bit of a discount after the season he had last year. Getting him with a bit of retention shouldn't cost a fortune and would likely turn out very well.

On the LD front though I have nothing. Acquisition costs for D men have always been crazy and this will likely cost quite a bit. So yeah.. not going to be easy.

With Silfverberg in the lineup we would look like this :

Gaudreau-Lindholm-Tkachuk
Coleman-Backlund-Silfverberg
Dube-Monahan-Mangiapane

With a top 9 like that who cares about the 4th line.

That second line would be a great shutdown line.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Maybe you are unaware, but Trev cannot make Jonny sign a contract.

And it won’t be easy getting a top 4 dman and top 6 forward with affecting the strength of the rest of the team or the cap.


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If the season starts without an extension for johnny in place then BT f'd up big time. Honestly he should have been signed or traded by the 28th of July. This GM is taking a huge risk if he isn't very close to getting this done. What the f do you do if johnny has no extension in place and has a big injury during camp or the 1st month of the season. That would be devastating and not something to risk.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

If the season starts without an extension for johnny in place then BT f'd up big time. Honestly he should have been signed or traded by the 28th of July. This GM is taking a huge risk if he isn't very close to getting this done. What the f do you do if johnny has no extension in place and has a big injury during camp or the 1st month of the season. That would be devastating and not something to risk.

I am sure the main part of the contract has been agreed upon. They are probably working out clauses and bonuses.

[Toonage]

I don't think the Flames make a big play on LD for now. I think they stay with what they have (Hanifin, Zadorov, Valimaki, Mackey) and look to add a vet on RD.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I am sure the main part of the contract has been agreed upon. They are probably working out clauses and bonuses.

I really hope your right man!