Friedman: Flames have begun extension talks with Gaudreau & Eichel speculation

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Knut

Maybe Treliving is trying to keep things under wraps so that he can maximize the return.

Trying to hard to keep it under wraps he let it leak to a CP member?

What is different now versus 5 weeks ago, or are we really just talking about the exact same rumour again?

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Except Tkachuk is nothing like you describe. He isn't a 90 point player. He isn't some defensively strong player. He's a solid 55-65 point player that is decent defensively. Lets not get crazy about what Matthew Tkachuk is. What he is exceptional at is being a #### disturber, but one who doesn't fight his own battles. That wears on a team.

100%. The legend of Matthew Tkachuk supersedes the actual player.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Trying to hard to keep it under wraps he let it leak to a CP member?

What is different now versus 5 weeks ago, or are we really just talking about the exact same rumour again?

No doubt it is the same rumor. Nothing likely has changed in the last several weeks. Team has denied it and he likely is not saying anything.

Who knows the Flames may have told him it will be easier to move him without a public trade request. Who knows maybe this rumor from the posters are not true?

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I really feel like this rumour is just piggybacking the same rumour from a month ago that was denied by Flames management.

From 31 Thoughts:



What could have changed in the last month?

Jack Eichel was rumoured to have wanted out of Buffalo for over a year. There was denials by management the entire time until he finally said it himself.

Treliving was quoted firmly saying that Sam Bennett is going to be a Calgary Flame for a long time and he was part of their long term plan as late as about a month or two before he was traded.

Rumours being denied by management doesn't really mean anything IMO.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

Jack Eichel was rumoured to have wanted out of Buffalo for over a year. There was denials by management the entire time until he finally said it himself.

Treliving was quoted firmly saying that Sam Bennett is going to be a Calgary Flame for a long time and he was part of their long term plan as late as about a month or two before he was traded.

Rumours being denied by management doesn't really mean anything IMO.

Yeah, it's just part of the game from a trade negotiation perspective.

[mile]

If the rumours are true, Tkachuk's story is reminding me a little bit of Phaneuf's. Both had a great first three seasons, became instant fan favorites, thought of as a future captain, etc. By the end of their 5th seasons both of their names pop up in some rumours of internal conflict and are gone or likely will be gone.

Of course Tkachuk is the better player and will likely have the better career. I just hope the Flames don't mess up the return this time. Gotta get it right.

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by mile

If the rumours are true, Tkachuk's story is reminding me a little bit of Phaneuf's. Both had a great first three seasons, became instant fan favorites, thought of as a future captain, etc. By the end of their 5th seasons both of their names pop up in some rumours of internal conflict and are gone or likely will be gone.

Of course Tkachuk is the better player and will likely have the better career. I just hope the Flames don't mess up the return this time. Gotta get it right.

I agree 100%. I love Matthew Tkachuk and what he brings to the team. He's hard working and is worth paying the ticket to go watch the team as he is entertaining at the very least.

However, at the same time, he is very overrated by the fan base and that is because he is so beloved. He is not a $9M player. He can't skate. He can't penalty kill. He is a winger who primarily is used in a scoring role and if he can't provide that then he is pretty useless in a checking role because he can't skate. He is a 65 point LW who has an x-factor which is to #### disturb and to entertain. I understand that fans want players like that on the team because there always seems to be a lack of "give a ####" from the team but Tkachuk's antics can wear on a team over time. I believe people who have played team sports can attest to that.

You think Bergeron doesn't give a ####? Kopitar? Crosby? Ovechkin?

None of those guys act like Tkachuk. But anyway like I said - you can see it from both point of views...I love the guy as a fan because he's talented and entertaining. Maybe he's just not a fit for the team....and that's OK.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I have always wondered what the teammates thought of the highlights of a masked Tkachuk throwing up his hands in disbelief as they choked away a 3-0 lead to get spanked 7-3 in game 6 against Dallas? Lots of shots of him facepalming while the team was embarrassing themselves.

Lmao any competitive pro player with an issue with his reactions probably doesn't belong at this level.

His response was fully justified.

And if I recall correctly he threw his mask when they hit the post on a PP trying to get back into it. His reaction screamed that he was more in disbelief with their lack of luck at that point.

[djsFlames]

We need Ted Lasso in that locker room.

[chedder]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Unless the Flames are motivated to trade Tkachuk - he has no leverage and will be back.

They'll be motivated to trade him if they know he won't sign and extension and just wants his 9 million for next year before heading to free agency.

In this case he's only back for one more season at best then we get nothing for him. He has all the leverage.

[Savvy27]

I think Tkachuk is being underrated here. In my opinion the 77 points in 80 games and 61 in 69 are better indicators. Besides he has played primarily on the Flames checking line through his career.

Hopefully, this rumor isn't true. I checked with someone close to the team and this was news to him, so with all due respect to tbull, I have doubts about this one.

He's a stud and I think he'll be the best forward on the team (Eichel notwithstanding) from here on out. We'll all see where it goes, but I'm still hoping he ends up captain and leads the team to a cup.

Just out of curiousity I re-listened to Johnny on Spittin Chiclets and he talks about the incident with Muzzin and it doesn't sound like nearly as big of a deal as these rumors suggest.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by mile

If the rumours are true, Tkachuk's story is reminding me a little bit of Phaneuf's. Both had a great first three seasons, became instant fan favorites, thought of as a future captain, etc. By the end of their 5th seasons both of their names pop up in some rumours of internal conflict and are gone or likely will be gone.

Of course Tkachuk is the better player and will likely have the better career. I just hope the Flames don't mess up the return this time. Gotta get it right.

Oh no. Sutter is back as well. Thanks for giving me PTSD flashbacks haha. Tkachuk for Clifford, Sundqvist, Barbashev, and Scandella. lol

[868904]

Originally Posted by mile

If the rumours are true, Tkachuk's story is reminding me a little bit of Phaneuf's. Both had a great first three seasons, became instant fan favorites, thought of as a future captain, etc. By the end of their 5th seasons both of their names pop up in some rumours of internal conflict and are gone or likely will be gone.

Of course Tkachuk is the better player and will likely have the better career. I just hope the Flames don't mess up the return this time. Gotta get it right.

It is quite similar. Except Tkachuk doesn't have to worry about hip surgeries turning him into a bad skater, he already is!

I can only imagine Darryl sitting in the war room on draft day talking to Treliving: "You know when I had a malcontent in my team, I shipped him out of here for scraps asap! Look how well that worked for me"

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by 868904

It is quite similar. Except Tkachuk doesn't have to worry about hip surgeries turning him into a bad skater, he already is!

I can only imagine Darryl sitting in the war room on draft day talking to Treliving: "You know when I had a malcontent in my team, I shipped him out of here for scraps asap! Look how well that worked for me"

To be fair to Sutter - Phaneuf never did end up doing much in the league after he was traded away.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

To be fair to Sutter - Phaneuf never did end up doing much in the league after he was traded away.

No way to defend that trade even if Phaneuf didn't keep progressing. He was a prime young player traded for roster fillers and my memory is foggy now but I am pretty sure it leaked after the fact that Sutter didn't even shop him around much.

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by Bonded

No way to defend that trade even if Phaneuf didn't keep progressing. He was a prime young player traded for roster fillers and my memory is foggy now but I am pretty sure it leaked after the fact that Sutter didn't even shop him around much.

I believe that Giroux was offered to Sutter. Yes at that time the trade was indefensible. I agree. My "to be fair" is just cherry picking.

[Stanley]

I think we're actually undervaluing his value/impact based on some stupid puck flip incident + an off year + garbage day interview.

He's a professional, he'll learn from it and move on, and if it's for another team he'll be missed.

He could pick his spots better, yes. But you're willing to just say "see ya" to a guy that actually is passionate about bringing the team into the battle?

It's easier to pull the reigns on Chuck than to get a country club to give a s**t.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

I believe that Giroux was offered to Sutter. Yes at that time the trade was indefensible. I agree. My "to be fair" is just cherry picking.

For real? Man that is even worse lol

[Calgary4LIfe]

I look at Tkachuk and think that he just needs to tone down his antics a bit. It is a great asset to be able to bring your team into battle, but if it happens too often, it ends up bringing the battle to your team, and that's not productive.



It is not an advantage to your team if you have more teams circling the dates that they play you than other teams. The more teams that aren't ready to play you, the better. The less teams that hate you, the better. There is a time when you can do something to help rally your team behind you. It is counter-productive when you are giving the opposing team a reason to rally together against you.


If Tkachuk doesn't realize that, then I don't know. Maybe the other players remember when LA would constantly lay eggs against Calgary, and now the opposite happened after that elbowing incident. How many other teams are hating to lose more against Calgary now?



Either way, I think Tkachuk is an amazing talent, but if he isn't interested in signing a long-term deal, then Treliving better trade him quickly. Last thing this team needs is another distraction.

[Johnny Makarov]

I'd give Tkachuk at least 40 games with our useless Captain out of the picture now.