2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[dammage79]

Part of me thinks limiting Kylington last year was for expansion purposes. To keep Seattle's eyes off of him.

Because in out limited viewings of him last year it was evident he took some steps forward in development.

That being said, I'm not sure I see Kylington in a Sutter system all that much. And I reluctantly believe he's going to be traded at some point before puck drop of game 1.

I like Kylington a bunch but also accept there's likely no room for him on the Flames.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Part of me thinks limiting Kylington last year was for expansion purposes. To keep Seattle's eyes off of him.

Because in out limited viewings of him last year it was evident he took some steps forward in development.

That being said, I'm not sure I see Kylington in a Sutter system all that much. And I reluctantly believe he's going to be traded at some point before puck drop of game 1.

I like Kylington a bunch but also accept there's likely no room for him on the Flames.

Waiving him was also all part of the master plan too

We sure tricked Seattle into taking Gio and all the other GM's to not take Kylington. Sneaky Sneaky

[Calgary4LIfe]

I actually still like Kylington. It isn't just about the skating and the shot/passing - it is about his gap control and how he is usually pretty solid in his own end, even against bigger players. I find his gap control usually spot-on.


He does make the egregious error out there that seems to cost him. He had 3 bad games in row, and Treliving then went out and traded for Forbort and Gustafsson (IIRC, it was right after those 3 bad games, but I may be misremembering).


However (and unfairly), I argue with hindsight; exactly how much better would Kylington be right now if the Flames played him over Forbort/Gustafsson the rest of that season and the playoffs? How much better would he have been if he played ahead of Nesterov? I do think he likely would have been much improved, and perhaps would have even had a bit more of a swagger to his game in actually trying stuff out there. With hindsight - and that is that the Flames haven't made any noise in the playoffs - I do argue that both the assets spent on trying to shore-up defensively were wasted, while also negatively impacting Kylington's ice time, which may have helped continue his development. He seems kind of 'stuck' now in his development to me.



I also argue against the notion that he has 'no value' right now. Yes, he passed waivers, but lots of prospects with some value pass through waivers at the start of the season while everyone is trying to finalize their own lineups. Would he pass waivers in the middle of a season? Doubtful. He has some value, just not much value.


In fact, I argue that he has zero value to the Flames, given his ranking.



Hanifin, Tanev, Andersson, Zadorov, Valimaki, Mackey - those are 6 defencemen that this organization likely has ahead of Kylington right now, and even more importantly, who Sutter probably has ahead of Kylington given his usage last season. If Stone gets re-signed (which I will be surprised if he isn't), then that's 7 defencemen ahead of Kylington that this coach prefers.



I also think that if he didn't have any value at all, he wouldn't be qualified. There isn't a risk with arbitration, as though he is eligible, only an arbitrator that is a fan of the Oilers is going to give Kylington a raise, and I am sure that's the counter-argument for retaining him with a QO. However, Treliving has not been shy about just cutting bait with prospects that haven't worked out, and he hasn't done so with Kylington. This leads me to believe that they like him enough to keep him (obviously) or that Kylington holds at least 'some' value, and maybe they can include him as a trade chip for something else in a larger package.


I personally hope that he gets traded and gets a shot at playing regularly, and seeing how he responds at that point. Maybe he will not end up having any real career at the NHL level, or maybe the regular playing time will help him stick. I think his ceiling is probably a #4 defencemen if things work out for him, but it is just as likely (if not more at this point) that he ends up in Europe within the next few seasons. I argue he just needs playing time, but I don't think he will get it on this team (and right now, it is hard to make a case for that to happen).

[monkeyman]

I really like Kylington too. I think once he catches on somewhere and gets regular games and regular minutes, his game is only going to get better and better. I hope it's with Calgary, but I'm not so sure the Flames feel the same way I do.

[FBI]

I’m certainly not ready to give up on Kylington yet after the Bennett fiasco..

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by monkeyman

I really like Kylington too. I think once he catches on somewhere and gets regular games and regular minutes, his game is only going to get better and better. I hope it's with Calgary, but I'm not so sure the Flames feel the same way I do.

I have been impressed so far with how well Kylington has seemingly handled it. I’m pretty sure one of the reasons he dropped so much in the draft was poor interviews in which he came off as cocky. Granted who knows how he has been behind the scenes or in the locker room.

Another comparable in terms of losing an asset due to lack of opportunity is Kulak. Many had similar things to say about kulak when he was with the team… that he just was not good enough at ether end. And he has established himself as a regular NHLer after being given the opportunity.


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[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by stemit14

I have been impressed so far with how well Kylington has seemingly handled it. I’m pretty sure one of the reasons he dropped so much in the draft was poor interviews in which he came off as cocky. Granted who knows how he has been behind the scenes or in the locker room.

Another comparable in terms of losing an asset due to lack of opportunity is Kulak. Many had similar things to say about kulak when he was with the team… that he just was not good enough at ether end. And he has established himself as a regular NHLer after being given the opportunity.


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I don’t know if Kylington turning into a Kulak concerns me too much. Losing a 6th D who (at least this season and the playoffs) struggles a bit to hold on to that spot is pretty replaceable.

[Heavy Jack]

I’m going to post this here as it seems like the best thread to do so and I also want to say that I realize Scorp has grown up and is a busy dude now but it must be mentioned how much I and I’m positive others missed the UFA Free agent frenzy threads he would painstakingly create for those many years! They were always a riot and a ton of fun to follow and watch unfold! You are awesome Scorp and provide this board with a ton of epic content! Cheers my friend!

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Another comparable in terms of losing an asset due to lack of opportunity is Kulak. Many had similar things to say about kulak when he was with the team… that he just was not good enough at ether end. And he has established himself as a regular NHLer after being given the opportunity.


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I guess it depends on what you consider to be a regular NHLer because Kulak has been scratched during both the regular seasons and playoffs and for the recent playoffs, scratched for almost half of the Habs games.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by activeStick

I guess it depends on what you consider to be a regular NHLer because Kulak has been scratched during both the regular seasons and playoffs and for the recent playoffs, scratched for almost half of the Habs games.

True. But in playoffs, defencemen especially get cycled in and out of the line up a lot. Either way though, he was given mire opportunity and has made use of it. Kylington could be better than kulak… he could be worse. It feels like the flames are reluctant to give him a long enough look to find out.

It was mentioned by someone above… it is difficult for creative/offensive players to perform when they are given a very short leash. They need to be confident to make plays and if they know any mistake/giveaway will see them benched for the rest of the game and out of the line up for a month+, they become reluctant to try to play to their strengths and instead play a safe, simple game. Then they end up looking to pedestrian and easily replaced by players that are older and bigger than them.

It’s not that I think younger skilled players should be given complete free-reign and allowed to play however they want. I just would like to see young players put in situations where they can succeed and where they can know that they won’t be judged harsher than a veteran who makes mistakes. There is plenty of evidence of Nesterov making costly bad plays but he’s on the ice minutes later and still in the lineup the next game.


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[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by stemit14

True. But in playoffs, defencemen especially get cycled in and out of the line up a lot. Either way though, he was given mire opportunity and has made use of it. Kylington could be better than kulak… he could be worse. It feels like the flames are reluctant to give him a long enough look to find out.

It was mentioned by someone above… it is difficult for creative/offensive players to perform when they are given a very short leash. They need to be confident to make plays and if they know any mistake/giveaway will see them benched for the rest of the game and out of the line up for a month+, they become reluctant to try to play to their strengths and instead play a safe, simple game. Then they end up looking to pedestrian and easily replaced by players that are older and bigger than them.

It’s not that I think younger skilled players should be given complete free-reign and allowed to play however they want. I just would like to see young players put in situations where they can succeed and where they can know that they won’t be judged harsher than a veteran who makes mistakes. There is plenty of evidence of Nesterov making costly bad plays but he’s on the ice minutes later and still in the lineup the next game.


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I thought, at one time, that Kylington might be the powerplay QB this team needs. Oh, well….

[Nelson]

Speaking of Kylington (and Mackey), I am a big Kylington fan, I think he was very good last year in limited minutes, and I hear Kylington (and Mackey) can play the right side. But do the Flames need another right hand shot on D? There are Demers, Gudbranson, Vatanen. I’d like the Flames to get one.

[AC]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1423257480063246346
Looks like Tatar is going to sign with NJ.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by AC

https://twitter.com/user/status/1423257480063246346
Looks like Tatar is going to sign with NJ.

Wonder if that puts them out of the Tarasenko “sweepstakes”? Wonder if NJ is moving on as there is this potential add and Sharangovich signing. Coincidence or signaling they are out?

[The Original FFIV]

From Shawn Simpson’s Twitter (TSN Ottawa host):

If the Sens do go after a top center. The ideal trade would involve White and his contract. Allowing Pinto to start in Belleville, and when elevated slide into the #3 slot.

If Monahan is not in an Eichel deal, is this a fair return? Young C with upside which doesn’t weaken us at an important position?

[Canada 02]

Kraken signed Connor Carrick. They now have 11 waiver-eligible defensemen. Trades are coming

Vince Dunn would be a great add to the Flames blueline

[alan21]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

From Shawn Simpson’s Twitter (TSN Ottawa host):

If the Sens do go after a top center. The ideal trade would involve White and his contract. Allowing Pinto to start in Belleville, and when elevated slide into the #3 slot.

If Monahan is not in an Eichel deal, is this a fair return? Young C with upside which doesn’t weaken us at an important position?

That would be less cap savings than I would like to see from dealing Monahan but I guess if the market is weak for Monny than I guess that's not a terrible return at all.

[868904]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

From Shawn Simpson’s Twitter (TSN Ottawa host):

If the Sens do go after a top center. The ideal trade would involve White and his contract. Allowing Pinto to start in Belleville, and when elevated slide into the #3 slot.

If Monahan is not in an Eichel deal, is this a fair return? Young C with upside which doesn’t weaken us at an important position?

Also a buddy of Gaudreau’s, right shot can play the wing. Sort of a poor man’s Lindholm. Has struggled and makes pretty big dough so Flames would only save a little cap space in a Monahan deal, not sure it would be enough if absorbing all of Eichels cap hit.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

From Shawn Simpson’s Twitter (TSN Ottawa host):

If the Sens do go after a top center. The ideal trade would involve White and his contract. Allowing Pinto to start in Belleville, and when elevated slide into the #3 slot.

If Monahan is not in an Eichel deal, is this a fair return? Young C with upside which doesn’t weaken us at an important position?

No that is not fair return.

[Monahammer]

Colin White + Ott 1st (lol this might be Shane Wright) + brunnstrom for Monahan is closer. White is not very good and making almost as much as Sean.