Well in your example, regardless of it being 1 game vs 100, it’s still amateur sport so it doesn’t really matter honestly. A professional carries more weight, and yes I’d love to hear the arena designers thoughts over the strip mall designers if you want my ranking, but I’m sure both could offer some kind of insight I didn’t have before. There are tons of examples of that here on CP as well, where I have learned plenty of things from people who live that life and I’m simply just taking in what I can.
Let me just make it clear though, these aren’t opinions on what the building looks like aesthetically that I’m valuing, because that’s entirely subjective. I’m talking about the objective issues with this proposal, because you only need to look about 200 yards to the south to see what happens to the area around an arena when you neglect 75% of the exterior space. When was the last time anybody went behind the dome? There is a beautiful river there but you wouldn’t even know it.
I’m just disappointed that the arena district is looking a lot more like an arena street. Feels like a missed opportunity, and one we won’t get a redo on for decades to come.
How do you know the “objective issues” aren’t just subjective issues?
Having looked at the RDMP, and trusting CMLC with the vision for the area, I don’t see a problem, nor do I see how they’ve neglected 75% of the exterior space. Did you even look at the renders? Because I would look again. There is maybe one corner that I’d consider a bit of a waste, but we’ll see what happens.
Again, that’s why some opinions mean the same as any others regardless of their profession. Objective issues? Yeah, that’s not what we’re talking about here, but “professionals” who designed a strip mall once would have you believe otherwise.
It's not just people saying the building is ugly, it's a bunch of internet architects claiming that the design is an objective failure. It's hilarious.
How do you know they're only armchair architects? Because they critique the design? Not sure you should be speaking in absolutes like that, considering that is a board dedicated solely to design, architecture and construction. That board likely HAS more people that follow that world a lot closer, and it would be safer to assume there's likely people on that board that ACTUALLY work in the industry.
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Meanwhile Calgary Next is finally going ahead... in China.
While that certainly looks cool, just like Calgary next it is just placed in some bland lot with zero interaction with the city or community it’s in. Once these projects lose their newness its a dark hole in an otherwise vibrant city for 300 days a year.
With that being said, how successful do we predict the street side retail to be? Are these restaurants planning to be open all year round? I find that retail in the vicinity of a stadium seem to suffer from being too associated with the stadium. Would love to get some opinions on from others
While that certainly looks cool, just like Calgary next it is just placed in some bland lot with zero interaction with the city or community it’s in. Once these projects lose their newness its a dark hole in an otherwise vibrant city for 300 days a year.
Just out of curiosity, what about CalgaryNEXT's location was it a 'bland lot with zero interaction with the city or community it’s in'?
That project was literally on one of the most valuable pieces of available development land in Calgary, with its pedestrian and commuter routes stretching directly into downtown and the many surrounding neighbourhoods in all four directions, with major road transportation access running N/S/E/W and an LRT stop directly on site, and river path access.
If anything, the West Village location is literally the opposite definition of 'bland lot with zero interaction with the city or community it’s in'.
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I am find with the exterior, as long as it is easy to get into on those Canadian winters, then I am fine with it. Considering for close to 3 months the exterior space will just be piles of snow with not a lot of people using it, I am fine with how it looks. I am more interested in the interior things, like the view fore the seats, wifi that works, mobile ordering, jumbotron etc.
I hope they salvage the old time goalie mask off the Saddledome and put it on this new rink, in a conspicuous area. Love that mask, I think it is so damn cool.
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Meanwhile Calgary Next is finally going ahead... in China.
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Not world class enough for Calgary. /snark
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$5 billion.
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And for the proposed one for Calgary, the city's report inidcated it would've cost $1.8 billion, with the city covery 2/3 of the cost, meaning the city would put in $1.2 billion. That's why Calgary didn't do it. Too damn costly for what the city wanted in long run - new arena, new feildhouse, and new/renovated stadium for Stamps. Which are all gonna be done with less costs than that proposal.
If the CFL was closer to the level of the NFL in regards to attendance, it may have had a better shot of getting that type of financial support from the city.
With that being said, how successful do we predict the street side retail to be? Are these restaurants planning to be open all year round? I find that retail in the vicinity of a stadium seem to suffer from being too associated with the stadium. Would love to get some opinions on from others
I believe the long-term plan for the surrounding area includes hotels, residential, a bunch more restaurants and retail, etc.
It's impossible to say really. As of 2024? Probably not hugely successful outside of events and Stampede. But 2034? Might be an entirely different story totally dependent on how successful they are at implementing the overall vision for the area.
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I believe the long-term plan for the surrounding area includes hotels, residential, a bunch more restaurants and retail, etc.
It's impossible to say really. As of 2024? Probably not hugely successful outside of events and Stampede. But 2034? Might be an entirely different story totally dependent on how successful they are at implementing the overall vision for the area.
Not to mention the new building is likely to be much busier with concerts and other events that regularly skipped Calgary due to the Dome's roof.
Apropos of which, where did you get the plans for the overlay? I tried downloading the PDF from developmentmap.calgary.ca, but nothing, and I mean nothing, will cause the plans to download. All I can get is the ‘Written Submission’, which is a load of PR crap that I'm not interested in.
Can anyone throw me a bone?
I guess I got lucky yesterday when the link worked for me.
I threw the docs onto Google Drive for anyone who's unable to download them from the city.
I think it matches well with the library, the music center, and some of the newer glass towers in the east village. Like others have said, materials will make the biggest difference in the final look (no corrugated please).
I don't know how many bathrooms there are, but I know there aren't enough. Double it.
