[News] Evander Kane, $26.8 million in debt, files for bankruptcy

[Cecil Terwilliger]

I wish I was attractive enough to be a gold digger. Alas, all of my steamy love letters (with accompanying photos) to Oprah have gone unanswered.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

I wish I was attractive enough to be a gold digger. Alas, all of my steamy love letters (with accompanying photos) to Oprah have gone unanswered.

I think you should just count your blessings that your answer wasnt a Restraining Order.

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by Locke

Ahh Kanye...notorious gentleman and perfectly sane human. He and Kane could start a band.

Still a legendary artist.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

But this is a huge part of the problem, and a contributing factor to why it is so derogatory...

First, take a look at the etymology of the term provided by Jason14h:

So, the reason this may be the case is part of the socioeconomic history of men and women in the workplace, and the gender wage-gap this history has unfairly produced. There is really nothing different between pointing to the majority of "gold-diggers" who are women as proof of the stereotype, and pointing to US prison populations comprised of a majority of black men to then suggest crime is a racial problem.

Second, you are again missing the crucial point that the term—applied almost universally to women—is used with substantial frequency superficially, and it also functions implicitly to absolve the responsibility of men in a relationship. Labeling a woman as a "gold-digger" victimises the man, which is absurd given the power-imbalance in these relationships.

There is likely a disconnect between the etymology and what people actually think of when they say gold digger. I think it’s fair to say that the huge majority of the population doesn’t know of that background. Do we have to look up the Webster’s or wiki on everything as the authority or can we just talk in regular words and say it’s a person who wants to get at another’s money?

On the other hand, this is severely detailing the original thread so maybe we just stick to Kane being a king with no throne.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

So you're saying that in your experience, women and men are equally gold diggers?

I'm saying it's none of my business to guess the motivations behind a relationships.
But again thank you for proving my point too.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by fleury

There is likely a disconnect between the etymology and what people actually think of when they say gold digger. I think it’s fair to say that the huge majority of the population doesn’t know of that background.

Which in no way alters the fact that it is a derogatory term that many consider to be offensive.

Do we have to look up the Webster’s or wiki on everything as the authority or can we just talk in regular words and say it’s a person who wants to get at another’s money?

The reason some have been objecting to the usage of the term in this thread is precisely because of its connotation—superficially labelling someone or a segment of people as "gold-diggers" on the basis of their sex, appearance and social standing is no different at all than saying they "want to get at another's money." It's not just the term, it is the myopic application of a label like this to beautiful women who have married wealthy men. It's so weird that you seem to think your interpretation of the term somehow makes it any less offensive.

[DionTheDman]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

I wish I was attractive enough to be a gold digger.

Anyone can be a gold digger. Most noses are treasure troves of an endless bounty of gold.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Which in no way alters the fact that it is a derogatory term that many consider to be offensive.
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The reason some have been objecting to the usage of the term in this thread is precisely because of its connotation—superficially labelling someone or a segment of people as "gold-diggers" on the basis of their sex, appearance and social standing is no different at all than saying they "want to get at another's money." It's not just the term, it is the myopic application of a label like this to beautiful women who have married wealthy men. It's so weird that you seem to think your interpretation of the term somehow makes it any less offensive.

Hang on a second. I haven’t accused anyone of being a gold digger. So what’s offensive? I simply accept that there are people like that who exist to some degree on the spectrum. We all have our motivations and how we want to accomplish things in life. Some people want others money through cozying you to them, other want it through manipulation. Is it derogatory to point out it exists? If I term that the gold digging spectrum, it’s really not a negative term (well, maybe the manipulators are). Anyway, I think this whole thing is silly. The definition is loosely defined and I don’t think many people on the street polled would be crying this as a misogynist word. I’ll leave it at that.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by fleury

Hang on a second. I haven’t accused anyone of being a gold digger. So what’s offensive? I simply accept that there are people like that who exist to some degree on the spectrum. We all have our motivations and how we want to accomplish things in life. Some people want others money through cozying you to them, other want it through manipulation. Is it derogatory to point out it exists? If I term that the gold digging spectrum, it’s really not a negative term (well, maybe the manipulators are). Anyway, I think this whole thing is silly. The definition is loosely defined and I don’t think many people on the street polled would be crying this as a misogynist word. I’ll leave it at that.

To break this down as simply as possible:
- What's offensive? The term "gold digger"
- Do people exist who fit the term exist? Yes
- Is it offensive to point out the general fact that people like this exist? No, and nobody is suggesting that
- Is it fair to label a specific group of people that way without knowing, definitely, that they fit the term, based on their sex, appearance, and the wealth of their partners? No
- Is the definition loosely defined? No, it's the definition, you cannot loosely define a definition
- Is there a gold-digging spectrum? No, there is no "gold-digging spectrum"
- Yes, it is a negative term


The issue seems to be that you don't understand the word, which is your right. But if your response is "I don't mean it offensively, I'm talking about a spectrum and people with motivations other than pure money" then you're simply using the wrong word.

It would be completely ridiculous to call a horse a dog and when someone explains to you what a dog is, you say "I'm referring to the dog spectrum, mostly, I mean dogs, but also horses, is it not fair to say dogs exist?"

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

To break this down as simply as possible:
- What's offensive? The term "gold digger"
- Do people exist who fit the term exist? Yes
- Is it offensive to point out the general fact that people like this exist? No, and nobody is suggesting that
- Is it fair to label a specific group of people that way without knowing, definitely, that they fit the term, based on their sex, appearance, and the wealth of their partners? No
- Is the definition loosely defined? No, it's the definition, you cannot loosely define a definition
- Is there a gold-digging spectrum? No, there is no "gold-digging spectrum"
- Yes, it is a negative term


The issue seems to be that you don't understand the word, which is your right. But if your response is "I don't mean it offensively, I'm talking about a spectrum and people with motivations other than pure money" then you're simply using the wrong word.

It would be completely ridiculous to call a horse a dog and when someone explains to you what a dog is, you say "I'm referring to the dog spectrum, mostly, I mean dogs, but also horses, is it not fair to say dogs exist?"

I have to admit I’m a bit lost because I truly think my understanding of the term is the same as the general populations and not the etymological historical use of it.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by fleury

I have to admit I’m a bit lost because I truly think my understanding of the term is the same as the general populations and not the etymological historical use of it.

Virtually every online reference refers to it as something like this:

a person who forms relationships with others purely to extract money from them, in particular a woman who strives to marry a wealthy man.
"this place is packed with gold diggers"

[calumniate]

This thread is terrible

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Virtually every online reference refers to it as something like this:

a person who forms relationships with others purely to extract money from them, in particular a woman who strives to marry a wealthy man.
"this place is packed with gold diggers"

The definition stems from a time where (almost) no women had money due to many socio-economic reasons. So in the past (almost) only a female COULD be a gold digger

I would like to think equality have come far enough that men can start encroaching on the women's monopoly of being called a gold digger and more and more men can start marrying for money!

Maybe we need a new term for this when referring to men?

Diamond Driller

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Virtually every online reference refers to it as something like this:

a person who forms relationships with others purely to extract money from them, in particular a woman who strives to marry a wealthy man.
"this place is packed with gold diggers"

What’s wrong with a woman striving to marry a wealthy man? If you use to term to look down upon someone, that’s on your own issue. I feel it is perfectly acceptable for society to have gold diggers (men and women alike). Same thing as trophy wife. You can be a trophy husband too.

[dino7c]

99% of rich hockey players also happen to have great intelligence and personalities

I have learned so much...thank you PC principal

[DJones]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

What’s wrong with a woman striving to marry a wealthy man? If you use to term to look down upon someone, that’s on your own issue. I feel it is perfectly acceptable for society to have gold diggers (men and women alike). Same thing as trophy wife. You can be a trophy husband too.

Women don't play that #### haha. Successful women tend to go after successful men.

While men are more degenerates and will put more weight into looks, opening the door to gold diggers being a thing.

[KelVarnsen]

[dino7c]

If she is telling the truth and he bet on games why not contact the proper authorities...the fact that is comes out in a Twitter rant makes me think she is bat #### crazy like him and they are just trying to hurt each other.

My guess is that it's all BS, we shall see

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by dino7c

If she is telling the truth and he bet on games why not contact the proper authorities...the fact that is comes out in a Twitter rant makes me think she is bat #### crazy like him and they are just trying to hurt each other.

My guess is that it's all BS, we shall see

I don't believe that betting on games is illegal so going to the authorities would hardly be useful.

It seems clear that the NHL would be the one investigating any misconduct and assessing any penalties. I doubt she has Bettman's cell phone number.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by KelVarnsen

Right? I wish I could just rename threads to what they’ve become in order to warn people.