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Hot_Flatus · 08-03-2021, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

#### James Neal. Glad he'll be out of the game and nothing but a footnote in Calgary Flames history.

One might argue that his signing was the beginning of the end of a tumultuous and highly underwhelming Brad Treliving era that effectively consisted of 3 playoff game wins outside of the first year when the team was largely still comprised of Jay Feaster's rogue table scraps.

Young Guns · 08-03-2021, 04:04 PM

Hulse...not much of a hockey player but being married to a Baywatch actress definitely checked a few boxes for me at the time.

Neal just plain out lost all his skills over the summer we acquired him.

Flamesfan05 · 08-03-2021, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Young Guns

Hulse...not much of a hockey player but being married to a Baywatch actress definitely checked a few boxes for me at the time.

Neal just plain out lost all his skills over the summer we acquired him.

He already lost most of it before the signing but Flames scouting didn’t catch it

Young Guns · 08-03-2021, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

He already lost most of it before the signing but Flames scouting didn’t catch it

25 goals in 71 games the season before and 11 points in 20 playoff games. Most fans were pretty jacked when we signed him as a free agent. The fall from grace was not gradual but more like overnight.

EVERLAST · 08-03-2021, 04:21 PM

Bumped......because this talk is delicious . It's round and chocolate on the ends .
James Neal bought out......brings a smile to my face.

dino7c · 08-03-2021, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

He already lost most of it before the signing but Flames scouting didn’t catch it

wrong as usual, he was one of the best forwards in Vegas...they offered him a contract to return as did other teams

pretty sure you should change your name to Oilerfan05

dustygoon · 08-03-2021, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Young Guns

Hulse...not much of a hockey player but being married to a Baywatch actress definitely checked a few boxes for me at the time.

Handle checks out.

DeluxeMoustache · 08-03-2021, 04:53 PM

Best forwards in Vegas? Not so much. In one dimension only, could you make a case.

But Smith, Reilly and Marchessault were all above +30. Neal was -11

James Neal got off to a hot start in Vegas with 6 goals in 4 games. He ended the season ice cold with 1 goal in 17 games

While he built a reputation for scoring, he accomplished it with HOF caliber centers such as Modano and Malkin doing the heavy lifting (while Crosby also took a lot of tough matchups which didn’t hurt)

Nashville let him go for a reason, and he was double digit minus in his last year in Nashville and also Vegas

Brad made a terrible judgment to pay for a guy who was producing well below his peak with his overall game falling off

Good to see the Oilers have him on the books for years to come

Yrebmi · 08-03-2021, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

wrong as usual, he was one of the best forwards in Vegas...they offered him a contract to return as did other teams

pretty sure you should change your name to Oilerfan05

Since spring '05 was the lockout season, would that be like calling yourself not a Oiler fan...
Just a thought.

Edit - the never were 05 playoffs.
bah, it was a poorly thought out thought.

Jay Random · 08-03-2021, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Yrebmi

Since fall '05 was the lockout season, would that be like calling yourself not a Oiler fan...
Just a thought.

Fall '04 was the lockout season. Fall '05 was the beginning of the season when Pronger dragged the No-Goods to the finals on his way out of town.

Strange Brew · 08-03-2021, 05:31 PM

I'm surprised at how willing NHL GM's are to buy out contracts. I just think it's bad business to carry around dead money over twice as long a period when you have a cap on what you can spend.

But the difference is that as a fan, I know i will still be a fan three or five years from now. Most GM's don't have that kind of attachment.

Chi-Town Hustler · 08-03-2021, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I'm surprised at how willing NHL GM's are to buy out contracts. I just think it's bad business to carry around dead money over twice as long a period when you have a cap on what you can spend.

But the difference is that as a fan, I know i will still be a fan three or five years from now. Most GM's don't have that kind of attachment.

Dead money vs. dead weight. Pick your poison.

JackIsBack · 08-03-2021, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Young Guns

25 goals in 71 games the season before and 11 points in 20 playoff games. Most fans were pretty jacked when we signed him as a free agent. The fall from grace was not gradual but more like overnight.

I would have to agree with you, I know I was jacked about getting him, then after about 20 games, I knew I was wrong.

Strange Brew · 08-03-2021, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Chi-Town Hustler

Dead money vs. dead weight. Pick your poison.

I’ll take the option that gets over with the quickest.

JackIsBack · 08-03-2021, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I'm surprised at how willing NHL GM's are to buy out contracts. I just think it's bad business to carry around dead money over twice as long a period when you have a cap on what you can spend.

But how can they sign more overpriced bad contracts then?

JackIsBack · 08-03-2021, 08:27 PM

I think Sekera was a bad buyout... he had a few injury filled years but was just getting healthy when they traded him - he's been mostly injury free since.

JackIsBack · 08-03-2021, 08:38 PM

I think Duncan Keith was a bad trade too.... and you can't buyout his contract after one year, they would save more cap space if they simply buried it - I don't know what they were thinking - I'd rather have Ryan Suter for 3.65 million over 4 years.

Goriders · 08-03-2021, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Young Guns

25 goals in 71 games the season before and 11 points in 20 playoff games. Most fans were pretty jacked when we signed him as a free agent. The fall from grace was not gradual but more like overnight.

I was. Just off reputation.

But he defined slow. Could not believe it was him the first game he played. He would be slow in the work league I play in.

JackIsBack · 08-03-2021, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Goriders

But he defined slow. Could not believe it was him the first game he played. He would be slow in the work league I play in.

Couldn't he work at.... if he worked in the offseason. (I think that's the problem - work ethic - I wonder how he got to the NHL level without it)... I remember when Theo strapped on rollerblades one summer and was skating all over Douglasdale and south Calgary in an effort to improve his leg strength and skating.

BigRed · 08-04-2021, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by JackIsBack

I think Duncan Keith was a bad trade too.... and you can't buyout his contract after one year, they would save more cap space if they simply buried it - I don't know what they were thinking - I'd rather have Ryan Suter for 3.65 million over 4 years.

Who wouldn't? But no way Suter signs in Edmonton.