2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Sorry folks, Coronoto is not a trade piece. Stop. Just stop it.

Sure he is - he’s a Harvard-bound NCAA prospect who’s only been in the organization for a fortnight.

A not-insignificant portion of the board is already concerned with signability. I think they’re wrong, but their concerns aren’t unfounded.

So if giving Buffalo Coronato allows you keep Mangiapane (and perhaps more) would you do that?

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Yoho

100% he is.

Oh? How so. The last time a 1st round pick was traded in the same year he was selected was out of Dallas. That's how rare it is. Add to that the absolute dire lack of rhs in the system, I think it's extremely certain Coronoto is not a trade piece.

[Monahammer]

If Buffalo wants Coronato instead of someone like Mangiapane you do it without blinking.

The idea is that Eichel opens a better contention window now, not in ~3 seasons when Coronato is maybe ready for the NHL.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Sure he is - he’s a Harvard-bound NCAA prospect who’s only been in the organization for a fortnight.

A bit-insignificant portion of the board is already concerned with signability. I think they’re wrong, but their concerns aren’t unfounded.

So if giving Buffalo Coronato allows you keep Mangiapane (and perhaps more) would you do that?

It's not about what I would do. I dont care about Eichek so much to throw the entire team at Buffalo to get him.

Use some common sense thinking and break down the organizational depth and tell us how many Coronoto types players they have. Answer is none. And even then, the Flames can still deal from better positions of strength with other equal prospects.

Trading Coronto just isn't in the cards if you actually think things through. Even if you don't place a value on things like RHS or RW.

This crazy feeding frenzy of Eichel-mania around here has made ppl mad.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

If Buffalo wants Coronato instead of someone like Mangiapane you do it without blinking.

The idea is that Eichel opens a better contention window now, not in ~3 seasons when Coronato is maybe ready for the NHL.

And I'm saying that's wrong from an organizational standpoint. I just don't think the Flames are as feverous as yall are on this board.

"Give them everything!" It's madness.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by dammage79

It's not about what I would do. I dont care about Eichek so much to throw the entire team at Buffalo to get him.

Use some common sense thinking and break down the organizational depth and tell us how many Coronoto types players they have. Answer is none. And even then, the Flames can still deal from better positions of strength with other equal prospects.

Trading Coronto just isn't in the cards if you actually think things through. Even if you don't place a value on things like RHS or RW.

This crazy feeding frenzy of Eichel-mania around here has made ppl mad.

Whats your thoughts on what this team should do in the next 1-3 years? Just curious to get an opinion that is not all for getting Eichel. Not even trying to corner you, just honestly curious.

Keep in mind people are sick of being a mediocre team, its like groundhog day. The way I see it we are middling without Eichel... worst case we are middling with Eichel. Or maybe really bad, but at least we went for it and I can live with that.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by dammage79

And I'm saying that's wrong from an organizational standpoint. I just don't think the Flames are as feverous as yall are on this board.

"Give them everything!" It's madness.

That's been misrepresented a few times but no one is saying that.

What a loud contingency wants is for the team to make up it's mind on direction and commit. Is the plan to win now? Then mortgage the future on a piece like Eichel and take that risk. It's not "trade anything" as we're not saying give up Gaudreau or Lindholm or whatever. It's trade the future for the now if that's what you really want. Coronato is definitely a future.

If they want to rebuild and go future then they shouldnt trade for Eichel. But they also SHOULD have traded away Johnny and should think about trading more pieces for futures then.

As it is, this core isn't winning ####. One Coronato in 3 years is not changing that fact.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by dammage79

And I'm saying that's wrong from an organizational standpoint. I just don't think the Flames are as feverous as yall are on this board.



"Give them everything!" It's madness.

I agree that the Flames are in no hurry at all to "give them everything!" But then again, I sure don't believe that Coronato on his own is anywhere near "everything!"

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[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by dammage79

And I'm saying that's wrong from an organizational standpoint. I just don't think the Flames are as feverous as yall are on this board.

"Give them everything!" It's madness.

I think the Flames at minimum need to give up 2-3 of the following futures in an Eichel deal:

Dube, Valimaki, Pelletier, Zary, Wolf, Coronato, 22 1st, 23 1st.

Not all of them go out obviously but I don’t know of Coronato is more of a protected piece than the future 1sts or recently drafted 1sts in 19, and 20

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by dammage79

And I'm saying that's wrong from an organizational standpoint. I just don't think the Flames are as feverous as yall are on this board.

"Give them everything!" It's madness.

Not everything. Just more than anyone else.

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by dammage79

It's not about what I would do. I dont care about Eichek so much to throw the entire team at Buffalo to get him.

Use some common sense thinking and break down the organizational depth and tell us how many Coronoto types players they have. Answer is none. And even then, the Flames can still deal from better positions of strength with other equal prospects.

Trading Coronto just isn't in the cards if you actually think things through. Even if you don't place a value on things like RHS or RW.

This crazy feeding frenzy of Eichel-mania around here has made ppl mad.

So if the deal was done the day before the draft and included the Flames 2021 1st round pick, that would be completely normal and understandable, but 10 days after the draft the player they picked with that pick is untouchable? Common sense actually says that isn't true.

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by dammage79

And I'm saying that's wrong from an organizational standpoint. I just don't think the Flames are as feverous as yall are on this board.

"Give them everything!" It's madness.

By the time Coronato is relevant this team will probably no longer be in whatever window they think they have. If they are committing to being competitive now (rightly or wrongly they seem to be) then they should try to give themselves the best possible chance to win now. Having one or two elite pieces on the team every 10 yr cycle is never going to get them to the next level. At some point they need to supplement the core and make some big moves. You need to have multiple positions on the team ready to compete at the same time to have any success. Not just Iggy/ Kipper and repeat.

[GreenLantern2814]

[Toonage]

^^ So...they'll be rebuilding with a young cost controlled Coronato in the line up.

[Goriders]

One thing that would really help the whole eichel debate was the Lucic to Pittsburgh rumour.

If that could save us some cap room on the return player it would make the secondary offerings outside of I’m assuming monahan a little easier to replace.

[Toonage]

Lucic for Zucker? Flames end up taking on $300k in cap with that one.

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by Toonage

^^ So...they'll be rebuilding with a young cost controlled Coronato in the line up.

They dont rebuild thats part of the problem. There's never enough players on this team hitting their peaks at the same time to be a contender. Every team is good for 1 or 2 good players every few yrs, thats not enough to be a contender. The Flames waiting 3 to 4 yrs every year for their mid round 1st praying its a star talent to push them over the edge will keep them in the middle with everyone else.... by that time other talent on the team will start to age or cap out so then there's new holes to fill.

Before they just needed a 1C and RW, now they need a new Offensive D man to replace Gio, and on and on. They gambled on Fox, Vali, Andersson, Hanafin, etc. Doesn't look like any one of them is going to replace the offence at this point. Now they gamble on Coronato, etc. maybe everything pans out and that spot is filled but then now another spot needs filled someone has aged out of their peak. Their not going to roll full house on picks or 2nd liner trades to fill all the biggest holes on the team its never happened for them before.

Now that that they have a chance to fill the 1C with an elite player and get most players on the team at the same peak performance level in the same window. Why not go for it for once? Unless they somehow get a McDavid level talent do we really believe in 3 to 4 yrs everything will line up perfectly to finally be a contender? We believe all of Pelletier, Zary , Coronato all end up 1st line talents and all our current guys all still perform at near peak level? Thats what it will take for this team to be a contender. they wont run the table on these picks. They need to make some big trades when they get the chance. Picking up Pitlick's and Coleman's every year isnt going to put you over the top.

[Toonage]

If you're going to contend you need those high end picks on their ELC in the lineup.

Not rebuilding isn't the problem. They did. Accelerating the rebuild at the first sign of success is the problem and thats what gets teams like the Flames into roster/salary troubles.

Now wanting to jettison picks and top prospects for a player that may not play this year or even be what he once was or projected to be? That's a giant gamble, and if t fails and the Flames are worse then they're even further behind when they are forced to rebuild.

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by Toonage

If you're going to contend you need those high end picks on their ELC in the lineup.

Not rebuilding isn't the problem. They did. Accelerating the rebuild at the first sign of success is the problem and thats what gets teams like the Flames into roster/salary troubles.

Now wanting to jettison picks and top prospects for a player that may not play this year or even be what he once was or projected to be? That's a giant gamble.

They're way past that now, they ended early as you said. They are too good to get top 5 picks at this point. Building through the draft off mid rounds picks to get one hit every 3 to 4 yrs isnt going to work for them imo. They
are not going to run the table and be better at drafting then everyone else. They are in this mess now. They wont blow it up either so they need to push in for star talent, take their shot and go from there.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Toonage

If you're going to contend you need those high end picks on their ELC in the lineup.

Not rebuilding isn't the problem. They did. Accelerating the rebuild at the first sign of success is the problem and thats what gets teams like the Flames into roster/salary troubles.

Now wanting to jettison picks and top prospects for a player that may not play this year or even be what he once was or projected to be? That's a giant gamble, and if t fails and the Flames are worse then they're even further behind when they are forced to rebuild.

Meh, even if the Eichel gamble fails I doubt the Flames finish much worse than 15th-20th. The owners aren't to rebuild until they are forced to, so I'd rather they take a swing and flop rather than being a bubble team for the next 3-4 years. Coronato won't be a deal breaker when it comes to Eichel. 12th overall in what was considered a weak draft. I would be surprised if the Sabres even asked for him over Zary and Pelletier.