Friedman: Flames have begun extension talks with Gaudreau & Eichel speculation

[TheChief]

With every passing day my hope dwindles that Tree can make a trade for Eichel.



We dont really have any players of quality to trade for him, if you think they want Monahan your in for a surprise.



I think we should move on, because outside of giving up multiple 1st round picks to package with say a Mangiapane and lets be honest a salary dump in Monahan I dont think our offer is enticing at all.



Mangiapane is going to be making 5 M next contract, I cant see that falling in line with what Buffalo wants, and Sean is a injury away from being out of the league.



Sadly ive given up all hope.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Hmm. I wonder if this doesn’t actually hurt the Flames chances to get him.

It sure does. Other than Flames would be a team that would want Buffalo to retain salary. Not like we have the cap space to add him without subtracting.

[tkflames]

I was really excited for the potential of this trade...but with every passing day...I think this could be more like the Karlsson deal..and less like the Joe Thornton deal.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

There's some really interesting stuff in there about insurance and injuries, and a lot related to Eichel's situation. Eichel has the opportunity to have his injury reviewed through binding arbitration, but has not elected to do so. Red flag? The language says that the team's doctors and the player's doctors will meet and determine whether the player can return to action. If they cannot agree the league and NHLPA will agree on a third party to consult and make the final binding determination. This may be why Eichel's camp has not gone the route of launching a grievance or going to arbitration because they are confident the outcome would go against them.

You indicate that Eichel can choose to go to binding arbitration to decide whether the player can return to action.

What does that have to do with the choice of medical treatment?

You might want to leave the legal interpretation to Gio the lawyer and stick to something else.


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[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

For a whole host of reasons (window of opportunity, contract projection, potential locker room issues, shortage of assets in the organization, fit, etc), I would do this thing in stages:

1) Tkachuk to STL for Taransenko (retained to whatever extent is possible - 10-15%?) + 2 x 1st + Thomas or Kyrou

2) Then you do the equivalent of 2 x 1st + Valimaki + Dube or whatever for Eichel

I think these are good transactions from the leverage perspective as both the other trading partners HAVE to move the respective players, so you are in position to get the best possible deal. I think Taransenko, assuming he is fixed, fits in terms of style with Gaudreau and Eichel. And it is only two years, so you could pivot in a different direction. If you are gambling anyhow, I think this allows you to actually keep your assets overall, and potentially get the benefit of Eichel. Obviously, it can all crater, but if you are going for a high variance play, you might as well really go for it.
Obviously, Tarasenko might refuse to come here, you probably still need to move Monahan or some other money and you still need a PP QB, but I kind of like this play more than other options...

So, Calgary would effectively give up Tkachuk, Valimaki and Dube and get retained Eichel and Tarasenko, plus Thomas or Kyrou.

Give that one a thought.


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[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

There’s now some reporting that Buffalo may be willing to retain salary in order to get a better trade.

This is what ends Calgary’s bid…… hello NYR or LV

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

There’s now some reporting that Buffalo may be willing to retain salary in order to get a better trade.

Welcome to Vegas, I guess.

[FlamesAddiction]

I'm thinking Anaheim enters the picture again. Salary retention might make it more palatable to give up a better prospect. The Flames can't compete with Anaheim in the regard.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

This is what ends Calgary’s bid…… hello NYR or LV

Or.. the Flames were also interested in not taking on that full salary and will be more willing to pony up as a result.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

It could definitely get more teams interested and make a bidding war.

That's all it will be though. I don't buy it for a friggin' second.

My guess is it's basically Adams saying "You know, if you throw in an extra few 1st round picks in, we'll think about paying 10% of his salary...." followed by every GM rolling their eyes and thanking him for his time before hanging up. Yes, I imagine he's willing to retain salary. Just at a stupid heavy price.

This is just my read on the situation:

Flames have been in the conversation early enough that the Sabres likely consider them a very serious suitor for Eichel. So I'm betting that they already have their own opinion on the surgery, and even if Sabres hadn't quietly released his medical records to the Flames organization, they have had ample time to consult their own staff and experts on the procedure.

They have also been persistent in the conversation enough that:
- They likely know what an offer could realistically look like, bluffs on either party aside. I think this is why details on the Buffalo ask from Calgary are vague and stop at 'too high'.
- They have a good guess on which other teams are in the dance still, what the asks are and what the offers are from each

I'd say Tre has a fair offer on the table right now and it's probably the best one out of the few, but Adams is under pressure to win this trade even though the cards are ridiculously stacked against him. So this ploy is to try and lure other teams back into making dumb decisions and coughing up extra 1st round assets and to bluff Tre into doing the same with the Flames own offer before finally taking ours.

If other teams lose their bananas and pony up a mega overpay then so be it, but I feel like this is how matters will unfold. He's really up against the wall here. Disgruntled player, no one can take him without sending some salary back, teams backing out rapidly after UFA signing week, little experience in the GM seat.

[Pierre "Monster" McGuire]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

For a whole host of reasons (window of opportunity, contract projection, potential locker room issues, shortage of assets in the organization, fit, etc), I would do this thing in stages:

1) Tkachuk to STL for Taransenko (retained to whatever extent is possible - 10-15%?) + 2 x 1st + Thomas or Kyrou

2) Then you do the equivalent of 2 x 1st + Valimaki + Dube or whatever for Eichel

I think these are good transactions from the leverage perspective as both the other trading partners HAVE to move the respective players, so you are in position to get the best possible deal. I think Taransenko, assuming he is fixed, fits in terms of style with Gaudreau and Eichel. And it is only two years, so you could pivot in a different direction. If you are gambling anyhow, I think this allows you to actually keep your assets overall, and potentially get the benefit of Eichel. Obviously, it can all crater, but if you are going for a high variance play, you might as well really go for it.
Obviously, Tarasenko might refuse to come here, you probably still need to move Monahan or some other money and you still need a PP QB, but I kind of like this play more than other options...

Do you mean use the two first rounders we got for Tkachuk to help acquire Eichel?

I can't remember the last time a trade like this has happened in the NHL. This is the type of flashy trade that happens all the time in the NBA, I just don't see this happening in today's NHL.

[AC]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

There’s now some reporting that Buffalo may be willing to retain salary in order to get a better trade.

I might have missed it, who reported this?

[GreenLantern2814]

In the event we need to fill out the wings with some veteran depth, here are some forwards still currently unsigned.

LW Zach Parise
C/W Tyler Bozak
LW Zack Smith
RW Alex Chiasson
LW/RW Adam Erne
LW/RW/C Dominik Kahun

[mile]

I think it was Larry Brooks who talked about this?
https://nypost.com/2021/07/31/kaapo-...l-sweepstakes/

As the Jack Eichel Saga descends into scorched earth territory, with the center’s agents releasing a statement calling out the Buffalo organization while general manager Kevyn Adams attempts to pretend leverage is on his side, it occurs that the Sabres could come out of this whole if they are willing to retain 50 percent of the center’s cap hit in a trade.

Because if Eichel is only going to count at $5 million against the cap the remaining five years of his contract, then the Rangers would be in position to extend Mika Zibanejad in the $9 million range and present a powerhouse one-two punch down the middle for the foreseeable future.

Our latest information is that Vegas, though strenuously cap-strapped, remains serious about making a deal for Eichel. Indeed, even while adding a net $3.3 million to the cap in acquiring Evgenii Dadonov from the Senators in exchange for Nick Holden, Golden Knights GM Kelly McCrimmon may have been preparing to send multiple assets the other way.

The Fourth Period also talks about this:
https://www.thefourthperiod.com/pagn...work-the-lines

There was some noise Saturday evening that Buffalo might be willing to retain part of Eichel’s $10 million cap hit to help facilitate a trade and maximize a return. The Sabres aren’t afraid to spend money, but I’m not so sure eating part of a 24-year-old superstar’s contract for the next five seasons is the most calculated move. An argument can be made that while the Sabres rebuild, they’ll have enough cap space to go around – at least until the cap starts to climb again in a few seasons. Nevertheless, it’ll come down to price and what teams are willing to pay.

A $7 million Jack Eichel is more attractive than a $10 million Jack Eichel. A $5 million Jack Eichel gets all 31 other teams back to the table. But what’s the cost?

The New York Rangers are absolutely interested in Eichel, confirmed multiple sources, none of whom believe (as of Saturday night) a trade is imminent. The Anaheim Ducks, Vegas Golden Knights, Calgary Flames, Boston Bruins and Columbus Blue Jackets are also interested. Will the Minnesota Wild circle back? Will other teams reengage, especially if the Sabres are willing to retain some salary? It sounds like it.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by AC

I might have missed it, who reported this?

I think they are referencing the Larry brooks article from yesterday speculating eichel 50% retained could get Kakko.

I posted it yesterday- I think 50% is way too crazy, but if brooks is speculating this it may be because he has heard retention is on the table and that may be what is complicating this process more.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

This is what ends Calgary’s bid…… hello NYR or LV

Buffalo does not want to retain salary to trade Eichel to the Rangers.

No way, no how. And on the off chance they did consider it, Kakko and LaFreniere would be what’s coming back.

Similarly, they don’t want to send him him to Vegas and watch him live his best life the next ten years while they’re still the Sabres.

They want to trade him to us. They want to say “you don’t wanna be in Buffalo, Jack? #### you, have fun in Canada.”

Give them a reason.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

You said to have fun as a fan, now you are shutting down fun?

I don't mean to, sorry. I was just awestruck by your capacity to use so many words to make such an astonishingly meaningless point. It is a marvel of composition that you should be proud of.

[Hackey]

Why would the Sabres want Monahan? He's a massive downgrade on Eichel and likely leaves in free agency in 2 years. What an absolute fleece job if we land Eichel with Monahan as the centerpiece. Adding a couple third liners and a 20th OA pick isn't getting it done.

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by tkflames

I was really excited for the potential of this trade...but with every passing day...I think this could be more like the Karlsson deal..and less like the Joe Thornton deal.

Interesting. Why? He’s still averaged more than a point per game since his rookie year, and he still drives possession incredibly well. What’s changed?

[Poe969]

crazy prediction time: Buffalo doesn't want to trade him to the rangers so just to screw with him they trade him to the a different team even though the rangers offer was almost better. The other team then flips him to the rangers for a return that makes them better.