[Trade] Flames acquire rights to Nikita Zadorov for 3rd acquired in Rittich trade

[Jeff Lebowski]

Reading some posts where people have scribbled out lineups and especially the D pairings, I'm seeing a lot of cases with:
Hanifin - Tanev
And I realize it's with good reason. Gio is gone, they were lights out together, and if you load up the top line with 13-28-19 why not do that for top pair?

I love that pairing too but without Gio to anchor other pairing I'm wondering if they need to have Hanifin and Tanev anchor their own pairings again.

You have to see chemistry and 55-8 definitely have it but I also know 55-4 have it too. I would like to keep that going but I wonder - even on paper - about Zadorov & Tanev as a potential pair? Perhaps there's not enough transition in that combo?

I kind of really want 55 and 8 to be the key guys on pairs 1 and 2.

[Heavy Jack]

I think the biggest reason is you would then have either Valimaki or Zad playing top minutes with Tanev slotting Hanifin opposite of Andersson on the 2nd pair. This is why I think a LHD is still a priority for Treliving as well this off-season.

I still feel signing Chara to a 1 year deal and spreading minutes throughout the pairings would be a great sneaky signing if Treliving could make it work.

Chara - Tanev
Hanifin - Andersson
Zadarov - Valimaki
Kylington/Kinvall

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

I think the biggest reason is you would then have either Valimaki or Zad playing top minutes with Tanev slotting Hanifin opposite of Andersson on the 2nd pair. This is why I think a LHD is still a priority for Treliving as well this off-season.

I still feel signing Chara to a 1 year deal and spreading minutes throughout the pairings would be a great sneaky signing if Treliving could make it work.

Chara - Tanev
Hanifin - Andersson
Zadarov - Valimaki
Kylington/Kinvall

I don't know if Chara could handle top pair min now but he's a HOF so maybe? Yes I think our very young D (the hardest position - and young guys!!) need some serious support.

I think last year expectation and the subsequent pressure (internally or externally supplied - not to mention COVID protocols) was too great last season. They need strong support this year.

[Heavy Jack]

Out of thanks Jeff but totally agree!

Regarding Chara he did play up over 18 mins ATOI and lead all Capitals last year in PK mins up over 2:30 per game so I think it would be a worthy gamble. Sutter would love the stabilizing presence he could bring and I think it works to the notion of by committee coverage after the loss of Gio allowing even minutes to spread across the 3 pairings.

Latest on Chara

Chara is an unrestricted free agent this summer after spending the past season with the Washington Capitals on a one-year, $795,000 deal.

"Z is in Slovakia spending time with family," his agent Matt Keator told TSN Hockey Insider Pierre LeBrun on Tuesday. "He is working out hard and leaving all of his options open. There is no rush on anything with him."

[Snuffleupagus]

Chara is done, he's retiring to Slovakia to enjoy Dumplings and Cabbage soup.

[blender]

Refreshing to see some actual hockey discussion here.
Thanks.
I would like to see Hanifin Andersson as well as I believe they do have the chemistry together.

I also hope that Valimaki takes enough of a step to justify a spot on Tanev's pair. That would be a very good thing for the Flames.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Chara is done, he's retiring to Slovakia to enjoy Dumplings and Cabbage soup.

Is that what giants eat?

[Sandman]

Jeez, I would love it if we signed Chara. He's not the player he once was, but he's still useful, and still has a presence.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Is that what giants eat?

Nope, Slovaks love their Dumplings and Pierogis, especially stuffed with sheep's cheese, the cabbage soup is to fart it all out later!

[Pierre "Monster" McGuire]

I've tried getting behind the Zadorov acquisition, but it's so hard for me to like his defensive play. By mid-year, I have a feeling most folks here on CP are going to get tired of him getting pinned in his own zone and taking bad penalties.


The one point of optimism I can get behind is that he's young enough where he's just coming to his prime 'defenseman years' and I hope to God that he isn't as lumbery as I remember him to be.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Not a lot of leverage or precedent for Treliving

List of players that Treliving played hardball with:

Mangiapane


It will be interesting on how this turns out.

from cap friendly on player elected arbitration: For the 2020-21 off-season, due to the postponed playoffs caused by COVID, the deadline is August 1, 2021 at 5:00pm ET

If Zaradov asks for arbitration then the Flames select 1 yr or 2. He would be a UFA after the awarded contract. That would mean he did not accept his QO of 3.2 M

Lindholm and Hanifin say hi!

Thought he kept Gaudreau and Monahan from setting new league marks as well.

I'm sure there others, and certainly more than Mangiapane.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Lindholm and Hanifin say hi!

Thought he kept Gaudreau and Monahan from setting new league marks as well.

I'm sure there others, and certainly more than Mangiapane.

Hanifin? He was a borderline #4 with a -20 when he got a contract for just shy of 5M for his RFA years and 2 UFA years This coming season would be Hanifin's last year as an RFA.

Compare that with Trouba who even with Flames homer glasses on was a much better d-man after his ELC got paid 3 x 2 and 5.5 = 11.5 for his first 3 RFA years and then got traded for Pionk and a 1st round pick.

Hanifin is up 3.5 M on what Trouba got and there is no one thinking he is an 8M x 8 D-man

Lindholm turned out as great contract. He did however come in after 5 years in the league and was not a clear top-6 center or player. He was behind Aho and Staal in Carolina and even within the margin or error with Ryan and Victor Rask.

He was a major disappointment after being picked ahead of Monahan. There was absolutely no talk or hope or realistic plan for him to challenge Monahan for #1C. Relative to Monahan Averaging 30 goals / 60 pts for the previous 4 years and had 5 years left at 6.375 giving Lindholm 5+ M would have been absurd.

Barkov who was a #1C was 1 year into his 5.9 x 6 years

Schiefele and MacKinnon were recently signed that made the Gaudreau / Monahan contracts land in the range they did. in 2015-16 neither Monahan nor Gaudreau received a single vote for the Hart Trophy . Gaudreau was 7th in scoring and 19th in goals and Monahan was 29th in pts and 31st in goals It would have been shocking if they set new league standards at the time. No one was saying that they were generational players.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Hanifin? He was a borderline #4 with a -20 when he got a contract for just shy of 5M for his RFA years and 2 UFA years This coming season would be Hanifin's last year as an RFA.

Compare that with Trouba who even with Flames homer glasses on was a much better d-man after his ELC got paid 3 x 2 and 5.5 = 11.5 for his first 3 RFA years and then got traded for Pionk and a 1st round pick.

Hanifin is up 3.5 M on what Trouba got and there is no one thinking he is an 8M x 8 D-man

Lindholm turned out as great contract. He did however come in after 5 years in the league and was not a clear top-6 center or player. He was behind Aho and Staal in Carolina and even within the margin or error with Ryan and Victor Rask.

He was a major disappointment after being picked ahead of Monahan. There was absolutely no talk or hope or realistic plan for him to challenge Monahan for #1C. Relative to Monahan Averaging 30 goals / 60 pts for the previous 4 years and had 5 years left at 6.375 giving Lindholm 5+ M would have been absurd.

Except that Hanafin and Lindholm taking big steps forward would have not been a big surprise.

Trev paid them based on his belief that would happen, and the Flames have been rewarded ever since.


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[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Except that Hanafin and Lindholm taking big steps forward would have not been a big surprise.

Trev paid them based on his belief that would happen, and the Flames have been rewarded ever since.


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With Lindholm. Hanifin hasn't yet turned his contract into a value contract.

Having Hanifin as the #4 d-man making 5 M is not value. The only thing putting a positive outlook on him is his play with Tanev and the fall off of the play of Andersson and the missing of expectations of Valimaki.

This year is a huge year for Hanifin. With Gio being replace with Zadorov there is no place for Hanifin to hide.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Chara is done, he's retiring to Slovakia to enjoy Dumplings and Cabbage soup.

I would like to join him in this.

[PugnaciousIntern]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Not a lot of leverage or precedent for Treliving

List of players that Treliving played hardball with:

Mangiapane

Eh, there are some things that Tre does that concerns me. An RFA signing isn’t one of them

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Lindholm and Hanifin say hi!

Thought he kept Gaudreau and Monahan from setting new league marks as well.

I'm sure there others, and certainly more than Mangiapane.

Lindholm’s contract was very fair for a guy who was coming off of a 44 point season

We can’t look at his jump to 78 in Calgary the season after signing and call Tre a tough negotiator here

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

With Lindholm. Hanifin hasn't yet turned his contract into a value contract.

Having Hanifin as the #4 d-man making 5 M is not value. The only thing putting a positive outlook on him is his play with Tanev and the fall off of the play of Andersson and the missing of expectations of Valimaki.

This year is a huge year for Hanifin. With Gio being replace with Zadorov there is no place for Hanifin to hide.

Teams would line up to take Hanifin on his existing contract. It is a value contract.


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[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Teams would line up to take Hanifin on his existing contract. It is a value contract.


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But he was a minus-20! It is far and away the most important statistic in the ricardodw bizzaro-world of NHL valuation, and a completely unresolvable number.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by blender

Refreshing to see some actual hockey discussion here.
Thanks.
I would like to see Hanifin Andersson as well as I believe they do have the chemistry together.

I also hope that Valimaki takes enough of a step to justify a spot on Tanev's pair. That would be a very good thing for the Flames.

Great point. We need Rasmus and Hanifin to step up, without needing to be paired with Tanev. And Valimaki taking a giant step would be huge.

All these things are within realm of possibility and reasons to be optimistic.