[Signing] Flames sign Blake Coleman (6 years, $4.9m AAV)

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

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So many posters with this style of late, and ya know what I'm singling you out.

Why the excessive hyperbole? Just chill dude.

Mangiapane can play throughout the lineup. He's grown immensely the last 24 months, and would've had second most goals on your revered Lightning.

All good, and yeah it was hyperbole. I do like all of those players, when Eat Bread is on, he's a real treat to watch.

None of the guys I mentioned are playing their proper position or have enough skill to play the first line RW. Any of Tkachuk, Dube, Mangi, Ritchie, Coleman playing top line right wing minutes is not a recipe for success.

Also when mods act the way Texty did, you're probably not gonna get a great reaction

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

All good, and yeah it was hyperbole. I do like all of those players, when Eat Bread is on, he's a real treat to watch.

None of the guys I mentioned are playing their proper position or have enough skill to play the first line RW. Any of Tkachuk, Dube, Mangi, Ritchie, Coleman playing top line right wing minutes is not a recipe for success.

Also when mods act the way Texty did, you're probably not gonna get a great reaction

Tkachuk has a ton of skill, so I assume the fact he’s a LHS will make him a bad RW. Like Rantanen, Kucherov, Svechnikov, etc.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

You're the one who insists that it's glue.

People keep posting proof that Coleman was not playing 3rd-line minutes or 3rd-line situations in Tampa. You keep claiming that he's a 3rd-liner based on nothing but your own say-so. I think I know which side I'm likely to believe.

The proof that he played 3rd line minutes is that he played on Tampas 3rd line. Regardless of whatever statistics are put out, Coleman is a 3rd liner on a cup winning team. You can believe whatever you want but he literally just won 2 Stanley cups playing on their 3rd line. There is no statistic better than what just happened.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Tkachuk has a ton of skill, so I assume the fact he’s a LHS will make him a bad RW. Like Rantanen, Kucherov, Svechnikov, etc.

Tkachuk is close ish to Svech and a few tiers below Kuch and Rantanen. Will Chucky ever win an Art Ross like Kuch? Doubt it.

[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

The proof that he played 3rd line minutes is that he played on Tampas 3rd line. Regardless of whatever statistics are put out, Coleman is a 3rd liner on a cup winning team. You can believe whatever you want but he literally just won 2 Stanley cups playing on their 3rd line. There is no statistic better than what just happened.

Sure, but then you make the claim that Coleman will be playing significantly harder competition in Calgary and then go ahead and ignore the fact that Coleman literally played the most time against elite competition on Tampa

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

The proof that he played 3rd line minutes is that he played on Tampas 3rd line. Regardless of whatever statistics are put out, Coleman is a 3rd liner on a cup winning team. You can believe whatever you want but he literally just won 2 Stanley cups playing on their 3rd line. There is no statistic better than what just happened.

Wow you just proved he WAS playing third line on Tampa. Way to go. Does that mean that he is locked into 3rd line position no matter where he plays? I didn't think that was a rule in the NHL that you have to play the same position every year on every team.

[Murph]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

The proof that he played 3rd line minutes is that he played on Tampas 3rd line. Regardless of whatever statistics are put out, Coleman is a 3rd liner on a cup winning team. You can believe whatever you want but he literally just won 2 Stanley cups playing on their 3rd line. There is no statistic better than what just happened.

Have a look at time on ice for Tampa forwards during the cup final.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Tkachuk is close ish to Svech and a few tiers below Kuch and Rantanen. Will Chucky ever win an Art Ross like Kuch? Doubt it.

Way to miss the point.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Weitz

So he wasn’t a depth guy on the Stanley cup winner?

Well, that depends on whether you define 'depth guy' by where he played (3rd line), or how he played (top 6 productivity).

For me, how a person plays defines what they are.

The Flames had Ritchie on the top line for a while - that didn't make him a top 6 guy, he was still a depth player.

[GioforPM]

Steven Stamkos: middle six forward.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Well, that depends on whether you define 'depth guy' by where he played (3rd line), or how he played (top 6 productivity).

For me, how a person plays defines what they are.

The Flames had Ritchie on the top line for a while - that didn't make him a top 6 guy, he was still a depth player.

This would have been a good response to start

My original point was I am wary of Stanley cup “depth” (your comments are noted) in that a guy playing behind what is likely great players can change how the perform. Hard to expect the same in an elevated role.

Now saying that, back in my first post, I don’t think the money or term are all that bad. Cap goes up in 2-3 years.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

Sure, but then you make the claim that Coleman will be playing significantly harder competition in Calgary and then go ahead and ignore the fact that Coleman literally played the most time against elite competition on Tampa

And you're ignoring his linemates in Tampa were significantly better than what he will play with here. My indicator for this theory is his 2 stanley cups. Is there a better indicator?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

And you're ignoring his linemates in Tampa were significantly better than what he will play with here. My indicator for this theory is his 2 stanley cups. Is there a better indicator?

Good Lord. Keep digging.

[AC]

Coleman's linemates were Gourde and Goodrow. He'll have better linemates here on either our 1st or 2nd lines guaranteed.

And I really like Gourde.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

And you're ignoring his linemates in Tampa were significantly better than what he will play with here. My indicator for this theory is his 2 stanley cups. Is there a better indicator?

He played with Goodrow and Gourde.

Call me crazy, but I think that if he plays on the top line (as you have been lamenting), that his new linemates of Gaudreau and Monahan are just a tiiiiiiiny bit better

[Jiri Hrdina]

People choose such odd hills to die on

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

I'm on team tank for Wright and Bedard. They could put looch in goal and I'd be happy

Most of us have accepted this isn’t the route they are taking
So it’s pointless to pine for it

[Enoch Root]

The equivalent of Goodrow and Gourde is Pitlick and Backlund. And that would be the absolute worst linemates he could expect on the Flames

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

And you're ignoring his linemates in Tampa were significantly better than what he will play with here. My indicator for this theory is his 2 stanley cups. Is there a better indicator?

Good lord. You can't be serious.

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[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Most of us have accepted this isn’t the route they are taking
So it’s pointless to pine for it

I also agree that there's almost 0 chance this happens, but I'd rather eat my own balls than celebrate a great 3rd liner being signed for 6 years.