Friedman: Flames have begun extension talks with Gaudreau & Eichel speculation

[Wood]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

There is a pattern with Jack, and its not a great one. Eichel is not a big game player. He likes to consider himself a big game player, but he rarely shows up when it matters. I guess that would make him the perfect linemate for Matthew Tkachuk. All talk, but no game when the chips are down. Be careful what you ask for. You may not like the outcome.

ok nostradamus

[heep223]

Is there even a basis for thinking he might come to Calgary? Like a rumour or anything? I haven’t seen a single thing.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by 1_Flames_Fan

Eichel is damaged goods that the Sabres are selling as new in box. Also I'm concerned about his attitude/commitment. Say we trade for him and he decides he doesn't like Calgary and floats and pouts and tries to force a trade. If he was fully healthy with no medical concerns or baggage I would say do it. But too risky under current circumstances Imo...

This is my position as well. But he is a broken player, with an injury requiring a risky procedure. That is very concerning.

If this was Sean Monahan, requiring this surgery, people would be demanding he was on waivers today. It is bizarre to see people bend themselves into pretzels to accommodate this player. Ahh, but highlight videos! I wish they did lowlight reals to balance these things and let people see the player you are getting most of the time. Yes, he's a talented player, but there is so much more to this guy that a highlight reel. Go into this with eyes wide open, not your head buried in a youtube video.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by 1_Flames_Fan

Eichel is damaged goods that the Sabres are selling as new in box. Also I'm concerned about his attitude/commitment. Say we trade for him and he decides he doesn't like Calgary and floats and pouts and tries to force a trade. If he was fully healthy with no medical concerns or baggage I would say do it. But too risky under current circumstances Imo...

1. Chris Drury really did a number on our mental health as a fanbase. Literally the only player who has come here and publicly pouted, and it was 19 years ago.

2. You can't live/manage an organization in fear of a hypothetical. Especially when we have Johnny Gaudreau, Matthew Tkachuk, Noah Hanifin (who vacations and is friends with Jack), Blake Coleman, Trevor Lewis, and Connor Mackey all here to reassure us that there isn't some weird anti-Calgary movement within the NHLPA.

3. Yeah, the injury bit is of course a real concern. I imagine any acquiring team will have done some work on the back-end to understand the situation and feel comfortable with whatever the risk is.

4. Questioning Jack's commitment is so weird to me. This guy wants to go under the knife to get his career back on track, and wants to get out of an absolute disaster of an organization as soon as possible. He also isn't the only player to run for the hills away from Buffalo as we've seen Reinhart and Risto demand trades, Ullmark take his first chance to flee into free agency, Hall looked like a new man the moment he got the Sabres uniform off, Staal go on to be much better in Montreal than in Buffalo...the Sabres are a disaster of an organization (even if Adams did nail the Risto trade).

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by heep223

Is there even a basis for thinking he might come to Calgary? Like a rumour or anything? I haven’t seen a single thing.

Only that we are interested but the asking price is really high, last heard from Friedman. Very generic news.

The 'smoke' I would say is really just all the other interested teams reportedly out of the running this week due to asking price (Vegas, Minnesota) or can't make it happen from a cap perspective (Boston, LA)

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by 1_Flames_Fan

Eichel is damaged goods that the Sabres are selling as new in box. Also I'm concerned about his attitude/commitment. Say we trade for him and he decides he doesn't like Calgary and floats and pouts and tries to force a trade. If he was fully healthy with no medical concerns or baggage I would say do it. But too risky under current circumstances Imo...

Well yah, but the reason he's available right now is because of that risk. If he was fully healthy, you think Buffalo would still be trading him, or if they do, there wouldn't be more teams lining up to overpay.

I'm still in the camp that you take the risk and get him. Worst case scenario, it doesn't work and Flames go into a full rebuild. Better than spinning their tires in perpetual mediocrity, not enough to contend, but never low enough to draft high.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

1. Chris Drury really did a number on our mental health as a fanbase. Literally the only player who has come here and publicly pouted, and it was 19 years ago.

I think Drury got a bit of a bad rap. It was really just his natural demeaner to be melancholy. Some people are just like that. Even Colorado fans used to say he always seemed sad for some reason. I get this all the time from people myself.

I also think the constant insinuation that he was pouty was a self-fulfilling prophecy and the fanbase chased him out to a degree. I recall one reporter asking him if he would re-sign and Drury seemed honestly offended by the question and said he sure hopes the Flames wanted to keep him.

Sometimes the insecurity of the fanbase is our worst enemy.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

1. Chris Drury really did a number on our mental health as a fanbase. Literally the only player who has come here and publicly pouted, and it was 19 years ago.

Except for James "Real Deal" Neal.

Im sure there were others, too. Maybe less annoyingly.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by heep223

Is there even a basis for thinking he might come to Calgary? Like a rumour or anything? I haven’t seen a single thing.

Friedman has said 2-3 times in the last week that the Flames are among the interested parties still in on Eichel.

Vegas, Minnesota, Anaheim and New York were the others. I believe it was said that Vegas and Minnesota have since dropped out of the running, or something along those lines. Montreal was another team that was in but dropped out.

This, along with confirmation that the Sabres want to ship him west, has led many to believe that only a couple teams including the Flames are remaining the sweepstakes, hence the Eichel fever around these parts.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Friedman has said 2-3 times in the last week that the Flames are among the interested parties still in on Eichel.

Vegas, Minnesota, Anaheim and New York were the others. I believe it was said that Vegas and Minnesota have since dropped out of the running, or something along those lines. Montreal was another team that was in but dropped out.

This, along with confirmation that the Sabres want to ship him west, had led many to believe that only a couple teams including the Flames are remaining the sweepstakes, hence the Eichel fever around these parts.

And along with that, Anahiem seemingly not wanting to pony up one of their few big ticket prospects or first rounder which will be a lottery, it just points to us being in the top 3 unless some team goes fully idiotic.

[JurassicTunga12]

^The Fourth Period/Pagnotta also mentioned the Flames being in on Eichel.

[Flamesfan2010]

Originally Posted by Coach

That wrist shot is Joe Sakic-esque

There was a right handed player that played for the flames for a while that it kind of reminds me of too


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[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Have you seen NYR’s offer? I mean I keep seeing you post the narrative that Calgary can’t even touch what some of these other teams are presenting but Monahan + Dube + 1 of Zary/Pelletier + 1st is more than a competitive offer than what we’ve seen reportedly offered by NYR and Vegas. Not sure if LA or Anaheim have had reported offers out there yet but to say the Flames basically have no skin in the game because of what we can offer is way off base. The Flames have more than a fair offer to present and I hope they do so.

Also the argument that ANA and LA’s 1st next year will be higher than the flames is actually something that works into the Flames favour; LA and ANA still need to be committed to their current rebuilds and now is not the time to be spending young assets on a piece to push them over the top which is precisely where the Flames are at right now. Honestly from my perspective bias aside my opinion is the Flames are a perfect suitor and can offer a competitive package for Eichel more so than any other team rumoured to be in on the sweepstakes.

In terms of assets no Calgary cannot match what other teams CAN offer. Who knows what they actually will offer, but these are likely the assets BUFFALO would definitely prefer. Calgary has no high end prospects to offer that other teams can. If you're trading one of the top players in the game then those are the assets you're likely targeting. But as I already mentioned in my post Buffalo's asking price may be too high for these teams which may allow Calgary to be in the running. I never said Calgary has no skin in the game.

And you basically just proved my point. Anaheim and LA will likely have much higher 1st round picks so why would Buffalo want Calgary's 1st before Anaheim or LA's? I personally think those teams should just gradually continue their rebuilds, but that doesn't change the fact that they have more attractive assets that Buffalo would prefer.

Calgary has no top prospect to offer. They most likely don't have a top 5-10 pick. Their top player to trade Tkachuk has very limited control. These are just facts. I'm not saying Calgary has no shot at Eichel because I for one really hope it happens, but the only way I see Tre landing Eichel is if basically every other team backs out or isn't willing to part with some of their top assets. At which time if I was Buffalo I'd wait because...

Monahan
Dube
Pelletier
1st

This is a horrendous package if I'm Buffalo. If Treliving could pull this off I would be over the moon. Monahan is being run out of town here. Just had by far the worst season of his career and only has 2 years left until UFA. Dube is a 3rd liner. Pelletier has proven nothing yet and doesn't project to be a top line player. The 1st could easily be 15-20 range. Buffalo could easily walk away with next to nothing with that package for a top player in the league.

I think the Flames 100% have a shot at Eichel but I'd be shocked if that's the package to get him. That would be an absolute fleecing.

[FBI]

7 minutes till announcement! Lol

[joejoe3]

TRE!!

[JurassicTunga12]

4:51. where is it? where is the trade?!?

[AC]

[FBI]

Wait is MST mountain standard time different than MDT mountain daylight savings time?

[mile]

#prophecy

[joejoe3]

Originally Posted by mile

It’s gotta be sureloss