[News] Jack Eichel Vs. The Buffalo Sabres

[Ashasx]

if the Flames want to compete with the current core, this is the only way.

Take the risk that he doesn't come back 100%. Maybe you can get him a little cheaper that way.

But there's no point in going half in at this point. Full ass it. Rebuild or Jack Eichel.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

So far, every team in the league disagrees with assessment on the podcast. Shocking, I know.

And exactly where are you getting this from?

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Did you miss the part of the podcast featuring—wait for it...

... a neurosurgeon?

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A neurosurgeon who champions the kind of surgery Eichel wants may not be the most unbiased source on the efficacy and risk of the procedure.

I haven’t listened to the podcast yet, but does the neurosurgeon say how many professional athletes in high-contact sports he has performed the procedure on?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by dammage79

You know the podcast was interviewing like THE doctor dealing with Eichels situation right? Right??

Yes, they are interviewing the doctor that Eichel has gone to, and the doctor that wants to do this surgery. Let me guess? You take everything you hear from a sales call as being 100% accurate and factual? You don't do your own due diligence work and confirm the accuracy of the information? No one in the league is willing to accept this clown's treatment strategy, but because he was on a podcast he's a credible source of information? No bias in the source of opinion on that podcast, right? Just the doctor that wants to do the surgery. Did they discuss this with any other doctor? The team's physicians? Outside interests? Nope, just the guy who wants to do the surgery. Think the discussion might be just a little slanted. Again, I'll go to our local neurosurgeon and then acknowledge the number of studies that identify the risks and outcomes.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

I'll take our local guy over a "guest" on a pod cast thank you. Because that's exactly what the Flames would do. Consult their local expert and NOT take the word of someone who may or may not be directly associated with the Eichel camp. This is a $50M ####ing investment people. Let the team deal with their experts and make the call. So far, every team in the league disagrees with assessment on the podcast. Shocking, I know.

Respected doctor who has thoroughly examined the patient

vs.

message board poster from afar offering a simple synopsis of a complex issue (pretty sure they've also disclaimed their opinion without having examined the patient)

vs.

the desires of the 2nd worst managed hockey franchise in the world (which isn't to discredit the doctors who disagree, but I'm not giving the benefit of the doubt to the organization analyzing said opinions).

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

I'll take our local guy over a "guest" on a pod cast thank you. Because that's exactly what the Flames would do. Consult their local expert and NOT take the word of someone who may or may not be directly associated with the Eichel camp. This is a $50M ####ing investment people. Let the team deal with their experts and make the call. So far, every team in the league disagrees with assessment on the podcast. Shocking, I know.

What is so great about a local expert? In the end—and without knowing anything about him, it is another voice among a sea of informed opinions.

I want to preface this by saying that I greatly appreciate the insight provided by 2macinnes2 to this discussion. I feel much better informed about this situation and it has given me a lot to think about. But then again, after listening to Dr. Prusmack on Friedman's podcast, it also seems to me that there is not a consensus among the qualified experts about the risks and long-term effects of this procedure. (To say nothing for the fact that this "guest" has performed the debated procedure over a thousand times, and very successfully on elite level athletes in contact sports.)

So, without actually knowing either of these guys (I am also assuming that you don't know either 2macinnes2 or Chad Prusmack), I have no way to judge at all whose opinion in this matter is the correct one. But then again, I sure as hell am not so arrogant as to assume at the outset that the locality of one is immediately the best one. I really think that the best thing to do in this situation would be for everyone involved to listen to a range of informed opinions on the matter, and make a decision on that basis for that individual.

[Roof-Daddy]

I think the roster as it is now can be competitive, with an outside chance of getting hot at the right time and going on a run ala the 2021 Habs.

Adding Eichel (a healthy Eichel) IMO puts them into fringe contender status as long as the goaltending doesn't #### the bed. Only thing missing would be a legit #1 Dman.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

So far, every team in the league disagrees with assessment on the podcast. Shocking, I know.

the fact that he hasn't been traded yet doesn't mean teams disagree lol. Buffalo is asking for a lot and there are still several teams in the running, that's it. Teams will undoubtedly do their homework before shelling out assets to acquire him, obviously.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

And exactly where are you getting this from?

Has anyone stepped up to make the deal? Nope. Why? Because they know the level of risk associated with this procedure and the cost to grab the player. Things aren't balancing out and no one is willing to assume the risk, even for a player with the offensive talents of Jack Eichel. The juice is not worth the squeeze according to almost every team in the league. If Jack Eichel were that much of a difference maker, they would quickly assume that risk and pay the price. No one is stepping up.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

A neurosurgeon who champions the kind of surgery Eichel wants may not be the most unbiased source on the efficacy and risk of the procedure.

For sure, but it certainly behooves us to listen to and weigh the value of his opinion.

I haven’t listened to the podcast yet, but does the neurosurgeon say how many professional athletes in high-contact sports he has performed the procedure on?

He did not specify how many, but says that he has performed this procedure successfully on a number of rugby players and MMA fighters.

[FlamesAddiction]

How does contract insurance work in these situations? Will the acquiring team even be able to insure him if he goes against the normal medical procedures?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Has anyone stepped up to make the deal? Nope. Why?

WE DON'T KNOW WHY, and your bloviating on this topic is the furthest thing from convincing.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Has anyone stepped up to make the deal? Nope. Why? Because they know the level of risk associated with this procedure and the cost to grab the player. Things aren't balancing out and no one is willing to assume the risk, even for a player with the offensive talents of Jack Eichel. The juice is not worth the squeeze according to almost every team in the league. If Jack Eichel were that much of a difference maker, they would quickly assume that risk and pay the price. No one is stepping up.

Teams are making offers, and trying to strike a deal. Buffalo hasn't accepted any of the offers so far. That is on Buffalo, not some reflection that teams aren't willing to trade for him.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

How does contract insurance work in these situations? Will the acquiring team even be able to insure him if he goes against the normal medical procedures?

Based on the sounds of it Eichel does not have the choice to go against his contractor's decision. So long as he is under contract then he is obligated to comply with their recommendation if he wants to keep playing.

[Calgary4LIfe]

LoL - let's just discredit a neurosurgeon who has examined Eichlel personally because.. he had the audacity to appear on a podcast? I guess anyone that appears on a podcast - according to Lanny - must be a fool.


I am sure that once a trade was agreed to, the Flames doctors would collaborate with Eichel's doctor(s), and figure out what exactly would be the best strategy. If everyone felt comfortable with whatever surgery was decided-on, then the trade would go through. If there wasn't consensus, the trade wouldn't go through. Period.



I am sure that the Flames won't be sending out rumoured assets, as well as taking on a 50 million dollar contract, without something called due diligence. I guess some people really do believe that this organization is somehow completely stupid and upside-down.

[Stanley]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I think the roster as it is now can be competitive, with an outside chance of getting hot at the right time and going on a run ala the 2021 Habs.

Adding Eichel (a healthy Eichel) IMO puts them into fringe contender status as long as the goaltending doesn't #### the bed. Only thing missing would be a legit #1 Dman.

What if the energy and resources were spent getting a legit top pairing D-man rather than a Jack Eichel? Im not impressed with our D as it stands at all

Heck you could potentially do a deal(s) that would maybe get you both Dumba + Tarasenko….(I’m not sold on the injury-prone Tarasenko just an example)

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

LoL - let's just discredit a neurosurgeon who has examined Eichlel personally because.. he had the audacity to appear on a podcast? I guess anyone that appears on a podcast - according to Lanny - must be a fool.


I am sure that once a trade was agreed to, the Flames doctors would collaborate with Eichel's doctor(s), and figure out what exactly would be the best strategy. If everyone felt comfortable with whatever surgery was decided-on, then the trade would go through. If there wasn't consensus, the trade wouldn't go through. Period.



I am sure that the Flames won't be sending out rumoured assets, as well as taking on a 50 million dollar contract, without something called due diligence. I guess some people really do believe that this organization is somehow completely stupid and upside-down.

You're doing it wrong.

The proper way to post here is to make outlandishly biased statements while presenting them as facts, and flavour them with some good insults about anyone stupid enough to not buy what you're selling.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Stanley

What if the energy and resources were spent getting a legit top pairing D-man rather than a Jack Eichel? Im not impressed with our D as it stands at all

Which top-pairing g defenseman do you propose the Flames target? How likely are they to be moved by their current team?

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Stanley

What if the energy and resources were spent getting a legit top pairing D-man rather than a Jack Eichel? Im not impressed with our D as it stands at all

I am not impressed either, but bona fide 1st line centres are rarer than unicorns. We have seen quite a lot of movement in top pairing D-men move around over the last handful of years.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Stanley

What if the energy and resources were spent getting a legit top pairing D-man rather than a Jack Eichel? Im not impressed with our D as it stands at all

How much better would they have to be than Gio to significantly change the apparent ceiling for this group?