[Trade] Flames acquire rights to Nikita Zadorov for 3rd acquired in Rittich trade

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by thefoss1957

Re: comments about Gio

I think the Captain label is more of a burden to a player than a measurable help to the team. Leadership should come from ALL of the vets on a team. During my guys cup runs, it was acknowledged that one of the most important guys in the room, rarely even wore the A until 2017, and that was Seabrook.

Also I think paying for an intangible, like "leadership" is often overpaid. Now I do love Toews, on my team, but, I think that the equivalent money spent to Kane has been money better spent, in that Kane has shown demonstrable statistical improvement to linemates. The same is much harder to directly attribute to Toews' "leadership."

I think Toews got paid for being the leader of the "shut down the opposition's best players" brigade plus decent scoring, as much as "leadership".

Chicago's run was truly a great team effort from all members of their core providing important attributes to winning.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Honestly I think Treliving wanted to talk dollars with an RFA instead of getting into a chase with the UFA market that has all the leverage.

Probably better players to sign yesterday, but likely to get them signed it's silly term and dollars.

This way he can play some hardball and has more leverage.

Not a lot of leverage or precedent for Treliving

List of players that Treliving played hardball with:

Mangiapane


It will be interesting on how this turns out.

from cap friendly on player elected arbitration: For the 2020-21 off-season, due to the postponed playoffs caused by COVID, the deadline is August 1, 2021 at 5:00pm ET

If Zaradov asks for arbitration then the Flames select 1 yr or 2. He would be a UFA after the awarded contract. That would mean he did not accept his QO of 3.2 M

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Not a lot of leverage or precedent for Treliving

List of players that Treliving played hardball with:

Mangiapane


It will be interesting on how this turns out.

from cap friendly on player elected arbitration: For the 2020-21 off-season, due to the postponed playoffs caused by COVID, the deadline is August 1, 2021 at 5:00pm ET

If Zaradov asks for arbitration then the Flames select 1 yr or 2. He would be a UFA after the awarded contract. That would mean he did not accept his QO of 3.2 M

Players who are in their final year of Restricted Free Agency are only entitled to a 1 year term.

[monkeyman]

Originally Posted by 868904

I like how in Staples latest propaganda piece, he actually refers to Tyson Barrie as an "Attacking Blueliner"; even he can't refer to Barrie as a defenseman.

I'm sure there'll be a lot of "Attacking Blueliners" this year in Edmonton. Attacks from opposing teams, attacks from the fans, attacks from the media, attacks from Mike Smith, attacks from McDavid who will blame the defence for his turnovers, and of course one or two will be attacked by management as the source of all the team woes and inevitable no goodness from a team that knows how to lose.
Attacking Blueliner is probably more accurate than Staples realizes.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Players who are in their final year of Restricted Free Agency are only entitled to a 1 year term.

So going to arbitration makes him a UFA next summer ,,, closer to a cap increase

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

So going to arbitration makes him a UFA next summer ,,, closer to a cap increase

Yeah but he could have an awful season or get a serious injury the way he plays. Take the money, I wouldn't gamble.

I expect a 3-4 year deal around 4.8ish when all is said and done.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

So going to arbitration makes him a UFA next summer ,,, closer to a cap increase

Trade him at TDL to get the pick back

I wouldn’t give him long term contract over 4M

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

So going to arbitration makes him a UFA next summer ,,, closer to a cap increase

How many players have actually made it to arbitration in Treliving's tenure?

You seem very concerned about this, so naturally you have done the research, right?

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[Finger Cookin]

I looked up the numbers out of curiosity.

15 players have gone to arbitration in Treliving's tenure as GM. 13 signed before the hearing. 1 signed after the hearing but before the ruling.

So 1 arbitration ruling out of 15 potential has happened since 2014.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

So going to arbitration makes him a UFA next summer ,,, closer to a cap increase

Yes, if he goes to arbitration he's a UFA next year regardless. I still think that his value at the deadline would be at or more than a 3rd round pick. That's why I'm not too worried about it. If he just stays here for one year it's still better than spending a 3rd round pick on 15 games of Gustafsson. Hopefully he likes it here and is a fit long term, if he isn't then we'll keep searching.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

I looked up the numbers out of curiosity.

15 players have gone to arbitration in Treliving's tenure as GM. 13 signed before the hearing. 1 signed after the hearing but before the ruling.

So 1 arbitration ruling out of 15 potential has happened since 2014.

Which player took his arbitration ruling?

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[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Which player took his arbitration ruling?

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You seem very concerned about this, so naturally you have done the research, right?

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Which player took his arbitration ruling?

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Kulak

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Which player took his arbitration ruling?

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Kulak filed for arbitration in 2018 and the Flames honored the ruling. Every arbitration case for the Flames since 2014 has been player initiated.

I should note that the tracker on CapFriendly filters by a player's *current* team -- so Lindholm's arbitration in 2018 came up, but that was before he was a Flame. So take one case away from that previous total I gave.

[thefoss1957]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I think Toews got paid for being the leader of the "shut down the opposition's best players" brigade plus decent scoring, as much as "leadership".

Chicago's run was truly a great team effort from all members of their core providing important attributes to winning.

True, but, IMO, still not worth the equivalent money to Kane's production. Having 13% of cap tied up with a "decent" scoring forward, seems excessive, even with overvalued intangibles. (Kind of like a foolish GM overpaying for "grit")

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I have a feeling Oilers fans aren't going to like this addition.

That’s why I like it.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Not a lot of leverage or precedent for Treliving

List of players that Treliving played hardball with:

Mangiapane


It will be interesting on how this turns out.

from cap friendly on player elected arbitration: For the 2020-21 off-season, due to the postponed playoffs caused by COVID, the deadline is August 1, 2021 at 5:00pm ET

If Zaradov asks for arbitration then the Flames select 1 yr or 2. He would be a UFA after the awarded contract. That would mean he did not accept his QO of 3.2 M

So you think Benning has leverage with Hughes, but Treliving doesn't have leverage with Zadorov?

lol

I have a feeling things will play out somewhat differently.

[CF84]

I know I am now guilty of the same thing, but every time I see this thread bumped, I can't help but think "WE GOT HIM!!!!"

[Hockey-and_stuff]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Yeah but he could have an awful season or get a serious injury the way he plays. Take the money, I wouldn't gamble.



I expect a 3-4 year deal around 4.8ish when all is said and done.

You want to award $5 million to a guy who can't push play or score in any meaningful way?

I think at that deal I'd rather take the arb award and let him go in FA.

The Flames simply cannot pay a defense only type that kind of money. Especially since he isn't an elite shutdown guy either.

If he signs long term I'd hope he goes for under 3.5m AAV.

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[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

So you think Benning has leverage with Hughes, but Treliving doesn't have leverage with Zadorov?

lol

I have a feeling things will play out somewhat differently.

Hughes is tied to the team for 4 more years.... Zadorov 10 more months.

Yep that is a bit less leverage than Benning has with Hughes, not that Benning will use it.