2021 Blue Jays Season Thread

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

I've read a few articles that Berrios could command $20-30 mil AAV once he's a free agent.

I hope he earns that.

Ray is probably sitting in that range for next year. Hoping we can get him on a Zach Wheeler contract

5/118m

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by TBone290

For a price like that, I would have expected a player like Jose Ramirez

Berrios may have more value on the open market then Ramirez right now.

There are very few SP and a lot of batters avail

[Jiggy_12]

Well, no choice now but to embrace it. Strap in!

[Jason14h]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/...blue-jays.html

Very good article

Interesting the different sites and how they rank prospects. Baseball America doesnt even have Woods in the top 100

The Blue Jays paid a steep price to acquire a year and a half of that consistency. Martin, last year’s No. 5 overall pick, was viewed by many in the industry as the best all-around player in the draft class. It was a legitimate surprise when he slipped beyond the No. 2 overall pick and fell to the Jays with the fifth selection. He’s currently ranked as the No. 16 prospect in the game at MLB.com, No. 21 at Baseball America and No. 23 at FanGraphs.

[Jiggy_12]

https://stoeten.substack.com/p/jose-...-the-blue-jays

Stoeten’s thoughts on the matter

[Jiggy_12]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1421159822117023747

[Jason14h]

Is everyone starting to get excited yet

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Atkins and Shapiro are both shrewd managers who don't like to sell on prospects and are good at analyzing talent.

They aren't going to give up on these guys unless they think the return is worth it.

I have faith in trusting Atkins and Shapiro here because IMO they've proven that they understand these players and prospects a lot better than we do.

Hell fans didn't like that we "only" got SWR and Kay for Stroman to start with because they weren't top prospects....now we are mad we traded SWR who developed into a top prospect.

Yeah. You’re right. I guess I’m getting caught up in the moment but I really liked the upside of both guys. I just don’t know what their sustainability plan is for bringing in similar ceiling prospects. I’ve started to trust their management in the past year and a deal like this totally seemed to go against their principles on the surface. But perhaps they don’t think too highly of the guys, and as talent evaluators that’s well within their skill and deserve the benefit of the doubt.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by fleury

Yeah. You’re right. I guess I’m getting caught up in the moment but I really liked the upside of both guys. I just don’t know what their sustainability plan is for bringing in similar ceiling prospects. I’ve started to trust their management in the past year and a deal like this totally seemed to go against their principles on the surface. But perhaps they don’t think too highly of the guys, and as talent evaluators that’s well within their skill and deserve the benefit of the doubt.

Both these guys have fallen down the MLB prospect rankings since the start of the season

If you include Manoah you could easily argue Martin is our 4th best prospect (Pearson and Grosham) and Woods comes in around 9/10. A lot easier to stomach then 15th and 60th in all of baseball (Where they were at start of year)

We have lots of studs coming up

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Is everyone starting to get excited yet

I'm excited yep.

A little bit of sticker shock, but bring on Berrios! (and extend him lol)

[Roof-Daddy]

Can we have Kimbrel now please?

Pretty please?

[bluejays]

Yeah, their bullpen needs a couple arms. I hope the price isn’t high and they just take on a money dump to make it happen.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Both these guys have fallen down the MLB prospect rankings since the start of the season

If you include Manoah you could easily argue Martin is our 4th best prospect (Pearson and Grosham) and Woods comes in around 9/10. A lot easier to stomach then 15th and 60th in all of baseball (Where they were at start of year)

We have lots of studs coming up

You could argue 6th for Martin behind also Moreno and Martinez

[KelVarnsen]

I mean this is a good part of the trade

https://twitter.com/user/status/1421164967596789761

[nixon45]

Just read the news.

I REALLY didn't want to give up Martin in any trade so this one stings bad. I don't know how to feel but we really really needed the legit arm coming in.

####.

[Roof-Daddy]

Chatwood being DFA'ed to make room for Berrios is a silver lining for sure.

[flames_fan_down_under]

I for one am looking forward to Montoyo pulling Berrios after 86 pitches and 5 IP.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Next year, at minimum, they’ll have Ryu, Berrios and Manoah. Next year is going to be awesome.

I really want them to re-sign Ray. I think he's another ace in the making. Could be a championship starting rotation even with a filler 5th starter.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by fleury

Yeah. You’re right. I guess I’m getting caught up in the moment but I really liked the upside of both guys. I just don’t know what their sustainability plan is for bringing in similar ceiling prospects. I’ve started to trust their management in the past year and a deal like this totally seemed to go against their principles on the surface. But perhaps they don’t think too highly of the guys, and as talent evaluators that’s well within their skill and deserve the benefit of the doubt.

I think their thought is they already have similar ceiling prospects:

At Shortstop
Bo Bichette: 23
Austin Martin: 22
Jordan Groshans: 21

Groshans is probably outperforming Martin in AA this year, and our All-Star SS at major league is still only 23.

RH Pitcher
Pearson - 24
Manoah - 23
SWR - 20
Kloffenstein - 20
Hogland - 21

At pitcher they probably feel like Pearson and Manoah are ahead of SWR. They just drafted Hogland in the first round here.

It's a big price to pay but Atkins and Shapiro had built enough depth in the prospect base that they can overpay here to get a guy that is 27 years old, that is a top 5/10 pitcher in the AL, and that they might be able to re-sign.

If Martin ends up becoming a better player than Bichette then sure it's probably a bad trade, but considering Bichette is only a year older and is already an MLB All-Star I'm not sure I see that happening.

[flamingred89]

Originally Posted by flames_fan_down_under

I for one am looking forward to Montoyo pulling Berrios after 86 pitches and 5 IP.

LOL! Love it.