Friedman: Flames have begun extension talks with Gaudreau & Eichel speculation

[OILFAN #81]

Not many teams left in on Eichel after Vegas dropped out.

[Roof-Daddy]

Man I wish I knew what the Sabres ask from CGY is, so I can know whether or not to be mad that Eichel isn't a Flame yet or not haha

[dammage79]

And you have to think that the Zadorov signing is on hold and any other potential deals are on hold until this gets resolved.

I think if we see any moves by the Flames before the eichel trade, they're out and have moved on.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

Boston lost Krejci. Monahan to Boston for a 1st and 2nd.

Send Wolf, Boston's 1st and 2nd and our 1st to Buffalo for Eichel. Beats me if that works but what the heck.

Boston has very little cap space available, they certainly can't take on Monny in a future deal.

It would mean that you get Eichel for Monny, a first and Wolf, and that's not going to happen.

Monny needs to prove himself healthy before he brings that type of return.

And we've seen how hard it is to move cap without taking some back.

The Vezina Trophy winner on a 1-year $7M contract was worth nothing.

[FBI]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

Not many teams left in on Eichel after Vegas dropped out.

When did Vegas drop out?

[Roof-Daddy]

Again, I love the "drop out" description.

Any team can circle back and try again at any time.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by dammage79

If anything we have been reading is true, The Pegulas and the Sabers aren't trading him in the eastern conference. He is going west.

Actually, we should sticky what we know or what ppl are saying they know about Buffalo's Eichel demands.

1. Don't want to trade in the east
2. They want 4 futures
3. They don't want cap hit
4. Kevin Adam's is in no rush

Those 4 off the top of my head.

They may not WANT cap hit, but trading Eichel without cap coming back will leave them almost $20m under the floor.

I'm sure their plan is to dump Eichel for "futures" and then buy more "futures" around the league by way of taking on bad players with bad contracts (making it easier to "not win" and go for another lottery)... but there's no reason they can't do both at the same time as part of the Eichel trade.

Edit: By the way, this is exactly what I would do if I took over a team like the Flames. Sell my best players for high-quality picks and prospects, getting my cap as low as possible, and then buy my way back up to the floor by taking on the James Neals of the league from teams in exchange for lower quality picks and prospects. Stock the system with good stuff and filler stuff, ice a team of losers that costs just enough to meet the floor requirements, and get some decent top 5 picks for 2-3 seasons of sucking until the bad contracts start to expire and the good prospects start to mature. Bam! Playoff contender.

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Man I wish I knew what the Sabres ask from CGY is, so I can know whether or not to be mad that Eichel isn't a Flame yet or not haha

Well reportedly buffalo is asking for 4 high Futures.

I Personally think they will get 2/3 and have to take back some garbage.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Man I wish I knew what the Sabres ask from CGY is, so I can know whether or not to be mad that Eichel isn't a Flame yet or not haha

Isn't the ask four 1st round picks worth of assets?
I seem to recall seeing that somewhere. It might have just been four assets.

[D as in David]

Sabres could take Monahan to help them meet the cap floor this year and deal him next TDL or offseason for a decent return. Contingent on Monahan not nixing a trade to them.

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Boston has very little cap space available, they certainly can't take on Monny in a future deal.

It would mean that you get Eichel for Monny, a first and Wolf, and that's not going to happen.

Monny needs to prove himself healthy before he brings that type of return.

And we've seen how hard it is to move cap without taking some back.

The Vezina Trophy winner on a 1-year $7M contract was worth nothing.

But Eichel doesn't from a much worse injury?

[direwolf]

So is he a Flame yet? C'mon Tre, quit f***in' around and get this done already so we can all move on with our lives.

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

They may not WANT cap hit, but trading Eichel without cap coming back will leave them almost $20m under the floor.

I'm sure their plan is to dump Eichel for "futures" and then buy more "futures" around the league by way of taking on bad players with bad contracts (making it easier to "not win" and go for another lottery)... but there's no reason they can't do both at the same time as part of the Eichel trade.

Edit: By the way, this is exactly what I would do if I took over a team like the Flames. Sell my best players for high-quality picks and prospects, getting my cap as low as possible, and then buy my way back up to the floor by taking on the James Neals of the league from teams in exchange for lower quality picks and prospects. Stock the system with good stuff and filler stuff, ice a team of losers that costs just enough to meet the floor requirements, and get some decent top 5 picks for 2-3 seasons of sucking until the bad contracts start to expire and the good prospects start to mature. Bam! Playoff contender.

So the Arizona Coyotes team plan for the last 20 years. Plus Buffalo, Edmonton, New Jersey. How is that working out for all of them?

[Jeff Lebowski]

Have there been any recent NHL players that have had similar injury to Eichel - have had the conservative surgery the Sabres want - who are of a similar profile to Eichel?

With that I mean - young and play substantial minutes. If yes, what happened to their level of play? Did metrics go down, were they unable to do things they were able to prior to surgery.

Like what are the positve and negative scenarios? Have any writers done any kind of analysis on this?

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

But Eichel doesn't from a much worse injury?

Yeah, the irony of all the insanity here. No one is thinking objectively.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

But Eichel doesn't from a much worse injury?

The Cobra isn't even worth reading anymore, has such a violent hate on for Monahan that it permeates every post.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Eichel’s Dilemma

Addressing Eichel on a case study basis is where it gets more complicated. Eichel is an elite athlete and very young with potentially two decades of elite-level hockey he can still play. He wants a procedure that has shown promise regarding similar and in some cases, better outcomes than traditional fusion surgery. Unfortunately, it doesn’t have the long-term research quite yet to support widespread use as the gold standard to replace fusion surgery in athletes.

All these studies are found to be performed on people with normal lives and activities, not ones seen at professional level athletics. There is a study that has shown professional athletes have received an artificial disc with good outcomes, but only two athletes were studied and I am unable to access the original article to identify the type of athlete.

There are well-documented reports that Chris Weidman has had the same procedure and has returned to fighting, most recently breaking his fibula and tibia with a devastating kick, requiring surgery. But Weidman is a 1-of-1 case; his success does not and should not dictate Eichel’s decision.

Other studies show that professional athletes have had a similar procedure, specifically a lumbar disc replacement. Those that were successful were not engaged in contact sports; instead performed ballet, soccer, and a fitness instructor. Two subjects were involved in contact sports (wrestling and karate) that did not fare as well. The wrestler had unrelated reasons to stop participating but the karate subject reported low back pain following a high-level rotational activity, requiring a modification of activities to limit pain.

Eichel would certainly perform a variety of neck movements that could stress the artificial disc at times. If Eichel does have the procedure, he could return by training camp based on this protocol, but even in the protocol, the highest level contact sport is basketball that is listed.

https://www.diebytheblade.com/2021/5...disc-conundrum

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by TheSkinner

Frank Servalli was on the Rintoul show today and he thought Monahan would have "a lot of value around the league"

His opinion is a little different than yours. Apparently he speaks to a bunch of people around the league as well.

But it doesn't make him right. Just shows there are different opinions about players everywhere. Maybe some GM's fall into the category that think he still brings value as a guy that can put up 30-30 in the right environment.

Woosh

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Man I wish I knew what the Sabres ask from CGY is, so I can know whether or not to be mad that Eichel isn't a Flame yet or not haha

Stupid hush hush organization.

From bland arena designs to unsexy signings to taking forever to go (not even) full retro to keeping us in the dark on eichel, they like to limit the fun as much as they can for this fanbase. Meanwhile wanting us to pay out the nose to come watch their product every night.

It's time to get wild. It's time for Jack Eichel!

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by JurassicTunga12

Trading Monahan to a team like the Senators perhaps to get more future assets to then use in the Eichel trade makes a lot of sense to me.

Monahan to Ottawa for assets.
Tkachuk to St. Louis for Tarasenko 50% retained + Blue chip prospect + picks
Gaudreau to Philly for JVR 50% retained + 2 Blue chip prospect + picks

Only prospects + picks to Buffalo for Eichel.

Lose games. Buffalo drafts high.