Friedman: Flames have begun extension talks with Gaudreau & Eichel speculation

[Tbull8]

As a huge Eichel fan since he entered the league, this is getting me way too excited. As good as Reinhart is, and even Olofsson, neither of them is on the level of a Johnny or Tkachuk. Eichel can dominate the game single handedly, so imagine what he could do with a top player like Johnny. He draws the entire team to him as well, which would open up a ton of space for Johnny. Please Brad, make it happen.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

Monahan needs to go in a trade for Eichel imo. For many reasons. Not the least of which is cap.

I prefer Monahan in the deal but Tkachuk should be an option if he isn't willing to talk extension right now.

Looking at Zack Werenski deal a guy like Tkachuk very likely could get paid more than we are comfortable paying him.

Point also got $9.5 which is a better deal IMO

Right now Tkachuk could make his case than he can ask for $9.5 mil as well. If he gets that his value drops dramatically IMO.

How many people would trade Hanifin for Werenski a month ago vs today? I personally would have a month ago but after that deal I doubt I have a ton of interest paying assets for him without a contract Lucic going back.

I was interested in Seth Jones...once again after that deal I'm glad we stayed away.

Some suggest Marner has negative value...Tkachuk is looking like that type of contract pretty soon here

[JurassicTunga12]

Trading Monahan to a team like the Senators perhaps to get more future assets to then use in the Eichel trade makes a lot of sense to me.

[jg13]

I can't see Calgary not willing to pay the price after the moves we made in free agency this feels like a no brainer to pony up the assets but I do agree Monahan or to a lesser extent Tkachuk need to go in order for this to work and Buffalo might not want either player and try to tank for Wright/Bedard over the next 2 years. They may only want picks and prospects.

I could see the hold up being trying to find a 3rd team to get involved.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

The Flames shouldn't be looking to remove key players from their roster. They're trying to add to it. With that said, salary cap and all of that - so Monahan or Backlund may have to be involved, but it's likely they're heading elsewhere and not to Buffalo.



Oh yeah, Monahan isn't worthless.

They could absolutely flip Monahan, but I doubt he'd waive his NTC to go to Buffalo so any time spent in Buffalo would likely be a paper transaction.

Have to think that if Calgary is going to acquire Eichel, it's going to be based around futures. Picks and prospects are going to be the key pieces, and perhaps someone like Monahan from a flipping perspective for more picks and/or prospects.

That is a good point. Could be difficult to find a third trade partner that could take on Monahan’s cap hit right now. Monahan might agree to waive his NTC if Buffalo was only used to retain some of his salary before going somewhere else. He could return a top prospect or a top-ten protected 1st if buffalo retained 50% of his cap hit.


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[colbym72]

To me if Eichel has surgery and misses some time, it doesn't matter unless you are confident he will return to 100% of what he was. You are not acquiring him for a one or two year thing. This is a franchise altering deal that has you acquiring a superstar for 5+ years. So you get it done regardless of him missing half the season next year if you know he will get back to what he was.

[Enoch Root]

People keep saying that it has to be all prospects, but both the Vegas and NY leaks included players. And Buffalo is a LONG way from the floor - they need some salaries on the team.

If a trade included roster players, my preference list would be:

1) Lucic (highly unlikely)
2) Backlund (unlikely)
3) Monahan (both because Eichel fills a C spot)
4) Tkachuk (strictly due to potential contract cost)
5) Dube (don't like the idea, but he is replaceable)
3)

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by colbym72

To me if Eichel has surgery and misses some time, it doesn't matter unless you are confident he will return to 100% of what he was. You are not acquiring him for a one or two year thing. This is a franchise altering deal that has you acquiring a superstar for 5+ years. So you get it done regardless of him missing half the season next year if you know he will get back to what he was.

Agreed. If you lottery protected the first and it ends up winning the lottery because Eichel isn’t healthy next year is that a bad thing? Eichel and Wright or Lambert? Sign me up Eichel still has 4 years left and you add a high end player on a elc? Lindholm 2 years at steal of a deal. That’s how cups are won

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by jg13

I can't see Calgary not willing to pay the price after the moves we made in free agency this feels like a no brainer to pony up the assets but I do agree Monahan or to a lesser extent Tkachuk need to go in order for this to work and Buffalo might not want either player and try to tank for Wright/Bedard over the next 2 years. They may only want picks and prospects.

I could see the hold up being trying to find a 3rd team to get involved.

Why get a third team involved.

Just find the framework for a separate deal that will help you shed the needed salary. There are 100% teams that will ship assets for Monahan. I think Vegas is one that might. Ottawa has cap space and would be looking to supplement their new young core.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Why get a third team involved.

Just find the framework for a separate deal that will help you shed the needed salary. There are 100% teams that will ship assets for Monahan. I think Vegas is one that might. Ottawa has cap space and would be looking to supplement their new young core.

It still might be the hold up though. Calgary could have a deal in principle with Buffalo that is contingent on acquiring the assets needed in a separate deal.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Why get a third team involved.

Just find the framework for a separate deal that will help you shed the needed salary. There are 100% teams that will ship assets for Monahan. I think Vegas is one that might. Ottawa has cap space and would be looking to supplement their new young core.

Exactly. If Buffalo does not want Monahan it does not mean all 30 other teams share the same opinion. If you need assets from other teams to get the deal done then its a 3 way deal. If it's your own assets but you need to shed Monahan after have that deal in place.

I do however prefer to trade a first from a different team than or own just in case. If Carolina or Vegas or whoever else wants Monahan trades you a first Id include that first.

[Burning Beard]

Boston lost Krejci. Monahan to Boston for a 1st and 2nd.

Send Wolf, Boston's 1st and 2nd and our 1st to Buffalo for Eichel. Beats me if that works but what the heck.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by colbym72

To me if Eichel has surgery and misses some time, it doesn't matter unless you are confident he will return to 100% of what he was. You are not acquiring him for a one or two year thing. This is a franchise altering deal that has you acquiring a superstar for 5+ years. So you get it done regardless of him missing half the season next year if you know he will get back to what he was.

True. But it hurts the return that the flames are getting with eichel because they don’t get him for this season when their cap is in the best position. Gaudreau, tkachuk, and mangiapane are all getting raises next year. At which point, players/salary will have to be shed. So whether it’s tkachuk, mangiapane, backlund, lucic, etc. that is lost next offseason, the team will likely not have as much depth in 2022-2023 when eichel is ready.

This season the team will have the flexibility to have eichel and likely only have to give up Monahan and maybe Dube/Valimaki to make the salary work. Hopefully if the flames trade for eichel, they can still be competitive until he joins the team and then they can be loaded for a playoff run.


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[djsFlames]

I would be happy to stomach 3 months without Eichel to see him slot in healthy for us down the stretch.

First half of next season is not a big deal particularly in this division, where a few teams will be downright awful, or are actively tanking.

[CroFlames]

Are there any new rumors today about who are the front runners to land Eichel? Are the Habs serious contenders?

[Robbob]

Maybe the Flames want some sort of insurance on the draft pick(s) if somehow Eichel doesn't recover as expected.

[SportsJunky]

I wonder what dressing room stall Eichel will receive? I mean, I know he's buds with Hanifin but I'd sure like to see him beside Johnny so they can get to know each other better. Now that Gio's gone maybe Jack takes that stall?

[stemit14]

Could be a unique challenge keeping the team focused if the flames traded for eichel and he was 3 months or more away from being ready. Fans always hear the classic lines from management/coaching of “the answer is in the room” or “there’s no help coming”. But, in this case, there would be a lot of help coming.

Good thing is, if there’s a coach that could handle it… I think Sutter is the guy.


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[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

I wonder what dressing room stall Eichel will receive? I mean, I know he's buds with Hanifin but I'd sure like to see him beside Johnny so they can get to know each other better. Now that Gio's gone maybe Jack takes that stall?

This guy is asking the hard hitting, important questions.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Are there any new rumors today about who are the front runners to land Eichel? Are the Habs serious contenders?

If anything we have been reading is true, The Pegulas and the Sabers aren't trading him in the eastern conference. He is going west.

Actually, we should sticky what we know or what ppl are saying they know about Buffalo's Eichel demands.

1. Don't want to trade in the east
2. They want 4 futures
3. They don't want cap hit
4. Kevin Adam's is in no rush

Those 4 off the top of my head.