Friedman: Flames have begun extension talks with Gaudreau & Eichel speculation

[nik-]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Perhaps for Calgary, a strong start to the season for guys like Monahan or Dube is what's needed to showcase their health/perfance in an Eichel trade. Assuming Eichel will be missing part of next season, the timeline for a trade may not be game 1, but rather game 35-40

But Buffalo doesn't want him to get the surgery, so that missed game clock probably starts on acquisition. And I don't think any team is going to want that to start mid season.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Yeah, I could see it. I have kind of been expecting that a trade might not happen until training camp or shortly thereafter. This really feels like something that no one is rushing into, which is fine.

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Problem for the flames is, if those two players start the season and are looking good, the team will have momentum and treliving will be reluctant to trade them for a player that will not be available to play for months or could even miss the whole season.


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[Teroy]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Problem for the flames is, if those two players start the season and are looking good, the team will have momentum and treliving will be reluctant to trade them for a player that will not be available to play for months or could even miss the whole season.


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Great. I hope it happens. I have no desire to empty the cupboard for a "maybe" might recover. How many guys do you think we can afford at $9 million? This is nonsense.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by nik-

There's no possible way he'd bait the market whose radio station he's on.

For sure but the mental gymnastics about no media saying the Flames were in there isn't true. I'd still be surprised if the Flames trade for him but if the trade is that Vegas package or less than people will be angry.

[868904]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Yeah, I could see it. I have kind of been expecting that a trade might not happen until training camp or shortly thereafter. This really feels like something that no one is rushing into, which is fine.

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It would be a major gamble and quite impractical for Treliving if Monahan and Dube are playing well and producing and then he subtracts them from the roster for Eichel who will probably miss the remainder of the season, especially if his surgery is pushed back until he gets traded. Can't imagine Sutter or the players would be happy with weakening the team like that.

Ducks could probably wait it out, but I don't see very many teams being able to just sit idly by. This is probably what the Ducks are hoping, is to wait it out so that Eichel can't play this season and the other teams fall out of the running.

It's in the Sabres best interest to get this resolved sooner rather than later.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Teroy

Great. I hope it happens. I have no desire to empty the cupboard for a "maybe" might recover. How many guys do you think we can afford at $9 million? This is nonsense.

Tampa has 2 guys over $9 mil just added a 3rd in point and stamkos is close to $9 mil.

Stamkos probably isn’t worth his deal anymore either. It’s usually the $3 to $6 mil players stuck on you 3rd and 4th lines that kill your cap not your best players

Also drafting poorly kills your cap. See oilers off season. They have only graduated a handful of guys to their roster in last 3 or so years so. Bear was one and now they traded him for more than likely a more expensive depth forward. Mcdavid and Leon’s contracts aren’t killing them it’s everyone else

Eichel contract is fine so is Johnny and Tkachuk. Flames will be fine with high price talent as long as guys like zary Pelletier cornato dube valimaki develope. Even if we trade a couple we shouldn’t need top line talent. Just depth

[SportsJunky]

I imagine things may be quiet until after the long weekend. I don't think teams like to make big announcements on a Friday.
That's okay Brad, we can wait until Tuesday to see Eichel pulling on a Flames sweater at the press conference. Enjoy the weekend!

[CroFlames]

I think Buffalo will want Monahan to fill the gap Eichel leaves behind. But it would be nice if we could keep him and have 4 very capable centers, Eichel, Monahan, Lindholm & Backlund.

I'm a fan of getting this deal done. I want to rebuild, or I want to swing for the fences. I'm done with status quo.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by 868904

It would be a major gamble and quite impractical for Treliving if Monahan and Dube are playing well and producing and then he subtracts them from the roster for Eichel who will probably miss the remainder of the season, especially if his surgery is pushed back until he gets traded. Can't imagine Sutter or the players would be happy with weakening the team like that.

Ducks could probably wait it out, but I don't see very many teams being able to just sit idly by. This is probably what the Ducks are hoping, is to wait it out so that Eichel can't play this season and the other teams fall out of the running.

It's in the Sabres best interest to get this resolved sooner rather than later.

Eichel’s recovery time is why I think the flames should require a top ten protection on any first round picks. The player/players that they lose from the roster could make this year a gamble for the flames to make the playoffs. If the flames don’t have eichel for the season while also losing Monahan or tkachuk plus Valimaki/Dube, the team could end up light on depth/skill for the season.


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[SportsJunky]

Monahan needs to go in a trade for Eichel imo. For many reasons. Not the least of which is cap.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I think Buffalo will want Monahan to fill the gap Eichel leaves behind. But it would be nice if we could keep him and have 4 very capable centers, Eichel, Monahan, Lindholm & Backlund.

I'm a fan of getting this deal done. I want to rebuild, or I want to swing for the fences. I'm done with status quo.

I think losing Monahan and keeping Tkachuk is the ideal scenario. I feel extremely confident that Monahan would have Buffalo on his NT list considering his name has been loosely attached to them before for Ristolinen a couple years ago.

It makes no sense to have Monahan or Backlund on a 4th line

[Macho0978]

Another reason why trading for Eichel makes sense is it seems like contracts have had a spike again this year. Even though it is a flat cap the new US TV must be playing a part in it.

Werenski gets $9.5 for 6 years
Jones gets $9.5 for 8 years
Hamilton gets $9 for 7 years
Landeskog gets $7 for 8 years
Hyman gets $5.5 for 8 years
Coleman gets $4.9 for 6 years

Only really Werenski's term isn't concerning for his age. Every other player got paid to an age of concern.

IMO looking at this is Eichel really that over paid. What about next off season? I bet Eichel will look even less over paid.

Now look at some other players

Lindholm $4.85 for 3 years - he makes less than Coleman
Hanifin - $4.95 for 3 years
Rasmus - $4.5 for 5 years
Tanev - $4.5 for 3 years
Zadorov - not sure yet

Our top 4 d isn't great but it isn't terrible and it could come in around $17 or $18 mil for all 4.

This team can absorb Eichel's contract because of guys like Hanifin, Lindholm being high end players making less than $10 combined.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

There have been lots of reports that included Calgary, so it's hardly 'mental gymnastics Oiler fans go through', or 'pure fantasy'. The guy IS going to be traded, and Calgary appears to be one of the teams that are seriously looking into it and having discussions with Buffalo. And considering how big a player Eichel is, of course it is a primary discussion topic.

Also, getting other players signed does not preclude the Flames from working on this. Also, if the Flames are serious about trying to acquire Eichel, it would have massive cap implications, so it makes sense to look at it now, as it would potentially affect how they approach Gaudreau and Tkachuk.

There really hasn’t been. The only reports we can say with any certainty is that Buffalo wants four high quality assets. Nothing more. Everything else has been blind speculation and mental gymnastics by the fans. Nothing tangible as far as offers goes. Brooks was the first to throw something out that seemed realistic. Nothing else from any reasonable source. It’s easy to throw a list of possible destinations together. Doesn’t mean squat.

[868904]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Eichel’s recovery time is why I think the flames should require a top ten protection on any first round picks. The player/players that they lose from the roster could make this year a gamble for the flames to make the playoffs. If the flames don’t have eichel for the season while also losing Monahan or tkachuk plus Valimaki/Dube, the team could end up light on depth/skill for the season.


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Yeah, I agree, I think the condition could be, Flames have option of giving them the 2022 first round pick after the lottery is drawn. If it's 1st or 2nd overall, Flames keep it and Buffalo gets the 2023 first rounder.

It's a fair way to share in the Eichel injury risk but who knows if Buffalo sees it that way. They've been driving hard bargains and getting what they want. Thanks Chuck!

[blankall]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I think Buffalo will want Monahan to fill the gap Eichel leaves behind. But it would be nice if we could keep him and have 4 very capable centers, Eichel, Monahan, Lindholm & Backlund.

I'm a fan of getting this deal done. I want to rebuild, or I want to swing for the fences. I'm done with status quo.

Love Monahan more than most, but if Eichel is incoming he has to go. Backlund is the vastly superior shut down centre. Having Monahan as anything but a consistent top 6 centre is a waste of his talents for him and the team. If the Eichel ask is Tkachuk or Lindholm, that changes things. Then maybe convert Monahan to the wing.

[ComixZone]

Buffalo is going scorched Earth rebuild.

They don't need anyone to fill in anywhere. They're very clearly trying to be the worst team in the league next year (and have some competition from other teams). The only thing they care about is hitting the cap-floor so they can legally play (and lose) games.

[Mr.Coffee]

I really, really hope the Flames get this done. Would be so awesome.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Buffalo is going scorched Earth rebuild.

They don't need anyone to fill in anywhere. They're very clearly trying to be the worst team in the league next year (and have some competition from other teams). The only thing they care about is hitting the cap-floor so they can legally play (and lose) games.

That does appear to be the case. That does limit what the Flames can offer. Even player like Mangiapane, who are 25, may be too old for their rebuild.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Buffalo is going scorched Earth rebuild.

They don't need anyone to fill in anywhere. They're very clearly trying to be the worst team in the league next year (and have some competition from other teams). The only thing they care about is hitting the cap-floor so they can legally play (and lose) games.

Monahan still has value. I don’t think a player like Monahan is enough to take them out of the basement of the NHL. But he could get minutes and rebound his production. He would then have even more value at the trade deadline. Plus more teams will be able to take him on with the pro-rated cap space at that point. And he would still have a year left on his contract at a reasonable cap hit. Monahan could easily be worth a first round pick + prospect to a playoff team by the trade deadline.


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[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by blankall

That does appear to be the case. That does limit what the Flames can offer. Even player like Mangiapane, who are 25, may be too old for their rebuild.

The Flames shouldn't be looking to remove key players from their roster. They're trying to add to it. With that said, salary cap and all of that - so Monahan or Backlund may have to be involved, but it's likely they're heading elsewhere and not to Buffalo.

Originally Posted by stemit14

Monahan still has value. I don’t think a player like Monahan is enough to take them out of the basement of the NHL. But he could get minutes and rebound his production. He would then have even more value at the trade deadline. Plus more teams will be able to take him on with the pro-rated cap space at that point. And he would still have a year left on his contract at a reasonable cap hit. Monahan could easily be worth a first round pick + prospect to a playoff team by the trade deadline.


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Oh yeah, Monahan isn't worthless.

They could absolutely flip Monahan, but I doubt he'd waive his NTC to go to Buffalo so any time spent in Buffalo would likely be a paper transaction.

Have to think that if Calgary is going to acquire Eichel, it's going to be based around futures. Picks and prospects are going to be the key pieces, and perhaps someone like Monahan from a flipping perspective for more picks and/or prospects.