Brad Treliving needs to go

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by blender

I won't pass my own judgment until the season plays out, but I will say that I am glad Treliving has shown restraint this off-season. The short-term thinking that has been so evident in places like Edmonton, Vancouver, Minnesota and the ridiculous contracts for Jones, Werenski and others, and the rumored ask for Eichel have shown that the pressure out there is real, and despite his faults, Treliving has held a pretty good line.

There is work to do, but at least he hasn't bought into the madness.

Even if this season doesn't work out, at least the Flames aren't in terrible shape cap and contract-wise.

I don't love the Coleman contract but he's going to be a good add for at least half the term. The only think keeping me from giving him two thumbs up for the offseason is the lack of clarity of the Gaudreau situation and no powerplay QB on the roster. I really think Gaudreau should have been signed or moved before Wednesday as he can now ride things out to free agency if he pleases.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by 868904

Honestly, I'm not sure that Gaudreau isn't in the same tier or class as Draisatl. If Gaudreau played with McDavid, he might have the same production as Draisatl.

I think Gaudreau needs to be on a line with at least one other player good at zone entries.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I don't love the Coleman contract but he's going to be a good add for at least half the term. The only think keeping me from giving him two thumbs up for the offseason is the lack of clarity of the Gaudreau situation and no powerplay QB on the roster. I really think Gaudreau should have been signed or moved before Wednesday as he can now ride things out to free agency if he pleases.

The fact the core remains in tact should concern everyone

Coleman is great as a support player for a contender.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Rick M.

I think Gaudreau needs to be on a line with at least one other player good at zone entries.

It’s very clear the league has learned how to shut down Johnny easily if he has no help

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

It’s very clear the league has learned how to shut down Johnny easily if he has no help

You suspiciously remind me of Resolute14. Was wondering why he was no longer around spreading bad takes...

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

You suspiciously remind me of Resolute14. Was wondering why he was no longer around spreading bad takes...

Bad take? Dude went from 100 pt player to 60-70 pt.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

The fact the core remains in tact should concern everyone.

When I thought the team was in it's window of contention I was concerned but now that it's closed I don't care nearly as much. The timing is perfect for things to go sideways in the next two seasons with two solid looking draft classes on deck. If they perform above expectations and have a Cinderella season, great. If they remain lottery players in the next few drafts, that's also great.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

It’s very clear the league has learned how to shut down Johnny easily if he has no help

99 points the last full NHL season

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by dino7c

99 points the last full NHL season

What happened after that? That’s 2 yrs, 3 playoffs ago

Again not saying he is a bad player, but he needs help

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

What happened after that?

Again not saying he is a bad player, but he needs help

Remember when people said the league had Johnny figured out after he had a rough first year in his new contract with 61pts. What happened after that? Oh ya 84pts then 99pts

[Aarongavey]

Flames seem to have done enough to have some improvement with their moves this offseason. They definitely will not be in the bottom third of the league and with a little luck may be in the top third of the league. Coleman definitely helps this year and if he hurts the team it will be in 4-5 years. Management seems to have decided to give the core one more chance this year. I think something like this offseason was what most fans thought would take place this offseason.

[Enoch Root]

Pretty hard to be successful in the NHL without help.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Remember when people said the league had Johnny figured out after he had a rough first year in his new contract with 61pts. What happened after that? Oh ya 84pts then 99pts

Ok man…live on that glory

Count me as a non believer if they don’t do anything to change it

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Ok man…live on that glory

Count me as a non believer if they don’t do anything to change it

What do you mean live on that glory?

You claim the league figured him out after the 99pt season and I am simply giving an example when that was said in the past but he was able to continue to put up career numbers.

Ultimately I agree he needs some help but I also think playing with Lindholm and Tkachuk is more help than he had the past couple years playing with a broken down Monahan and some various scrub

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

...Count me as a non believer...

Oh, believe me; we've got you pegged.

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[Bingo]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

Agreed in isolation, but should be but another factor in his evaluation. (trades/drafting/free agency/etc)



Right. But like I suggested, the same GM in that time? no.
https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-history

Total cap hit in buy outs in the Treliving era for all NHL teams (2014-15 season into the futures)

NYR $60,233,331
MIN $50,605,131
TBL $44,984,845
BUF $39,483,333
PHI $38,855,557
NSH $25,177,778
NYI $24,971,700
CBJ $24,516,667
NJD $24,400,000
EDM $23,183,333
ANA $23,055,555
FLA $22,500,000
CAR $21,833,333
TOR $21,666,667
DET $21,233,333
OTT $20,666,667
SJS $18,800,000
ARI $15,733,333
MTL $15,435,714
VAN $15,033,333
CGY $13,758,333
LAK $11,000,000
COL $9,816,667
BOS $6,866,667
PIT $6,500,000
DAL $5,966,667
CHI $3,791,667
WPG $1,750,000
WSH $916,667
STL $0

20 NHL teams with more buyout dollars spent (cap terms), the average is $20.4M or $19.8M if you include Vegas.

Calgary's buyouts ...

O'Brien, Shane - Inherited
Raymond, Mason - His Signing
Murphy, Ryan - Acquired to Buy Out
Bouma, Lance - His Signing
Brouwer, Troy - His Signing
Stone, Michael - His Signing

All in all Calgary in pretty decent shape on this front.

That's not necessarily a tribute to the GM, as the ownership has to agree to these, so perhaps there would have been more.

But nothing there to suggest he's painted himself into a corner with buyouts compared to most NHL GMs.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Bingo

But nothing there to suggest he's painted himself into a corner with buyouts compared to most NHL GMs.

Yeah, the Flames have $1.5M of dead cap-space in 21/22, and $0 of dead cap-space in 22/23.

There simple isn't much to dislike about that.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by MrMike

And they want Eichel and to keep Kaprizov. That would be close to 33 million bucks for two players and two buyouts. Mini is crazy to go after Eichel at all.

Middling teams with some decent young pieces but no tap talent make the most sense to me. MIN, CBJ, CGY

Or of course Vegas (a very good team lacking top C's).

I'm not sure trading big assets to blow your window open is ever the right move (...if you can land a Chara or Hossa as a UFA that's another story). It's future ELCs out and messes with your cap future...it happened in CGY and Hamilton was a lot cheaper than JE.

Silly idea:

NSFW!

A wild move would be TOR, though they are in division. Sell high on Matthews for more than the Eichel acquisition cost. Eichel is 1.5M cheaper with 2 more years term. This year they could use the LTIR space to go all-in this year.

BUF gets: Fox+NYR goalie
TOR gets: Eichel
NYR gets: Matthews

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

Agreed in isolation, but should be but another factor in his evaluation. (trades/drafting/free agency/etc)



Right. But like I suggested, the same GM in that time? no.
https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-history

Benning and Poile were. But of course, this is like rationalizing our failures as not being as bad as EDM.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Total cap hit in buy outs in the Treliving era for all NHL teams (2014-15 season into the futures)

NYR $60,233,331
MIN $50,605,131
TBL $44,984,845
BUF $39,483,333
PHI $38,855,557
NSH $25,177,778
NYI $24,971,700
CBJ $24,516,667
NJD $24,400,000
EDM $23,183,333
ANA $23,055,555
FLA $22,500,000
CAR $21,833,333
TOR $21,666,667
DET $21,233,333
OTT $20,666,667
SJS $18,800,000
ARI $15,733,333
MTL $15,435,714
VAN $15,033,333
CGY $13,758,333
LAK $11,000,000
COL $9,816,667
BOS $6,866,667
PIT $6,500,000
DAL $5,966,667
CHI $3,791,667
WPG $1,750,000
WSH $916,667
STL $0

20 NHL teams with more buyout dollars spent (cap terms), the average is $20.4M or $19.8M if you include Vegas.

Calgary's buyouts ...

O'Brien, Shane - Inherited
Raymond, Mason - His Signing
Murphy, Ryan - Acquired to Buy Out
Bouma, Lance - His Signing
Brouwer, Troy - His Signing
Stone, Michael - His Signing

All in all Calgary in pretty decent shape on this front.

That's not necessarily a tribute to the GM, as the ownership has to agree to these, so perhaps there would have been more.

But nothing there to suggest he's painted himself into a corner with buyouts compared to most NHL GMs.

This seems to include amnesty buyouts, which didn't actually count against the cap, and weren't necessarily done for short-term considerations (but recapture concerns, etc.)

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

This seems to include amnesty buyouts, which didn't actually count against the cap, and weren't necessarily done for short-term considerations (but recapture concerns, etc.)

Weren't the amnesty buy outs before 2014?