07-29-2021, 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
No, but short term deals don't go for way less cap hit any more.
Why would he take 3 years at $6M when these guys are getting $9.5M? He would need $11.5M for the next 5 years just to break even.
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Yeah, look at Tkachuk. $7M for 3 years.
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07-29-2021, 09:41 PM
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#42
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Well, this is also his first RFA deal. When Werenski came off his ELC he signed for 3x5.9, and that wasn't in a flat cap environment.
I honestly have no idea what anyone's going to sign for. But he's right that Hughes has no leverage. If the Canucks went into the season without him, how much worse would their defense even be? It's going to be really, really bad regardless... might as well squeeze a good deal out of him; he's going to New Jersey eventually.
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07-29-2021, 10:01 PM
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#43
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BJs lost all leverage after the Jones contract. Would have been an easy negotiation for Werenski's agent to say he's better than Jones so deserves more money.
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07-29-2021, 10:10 PM
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#44
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Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache
So the GMs don’t know the cap is flat
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There’s still a floor to hit, and Columbus couldn’t really afford to let ANOTHER talented player walk out the door.
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07-29-2021, 10:15 PM
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#45
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Originally Posted by FireGilbert
BJs lost all leverage after the Jones contract. Would have been an easy negotiation for Werenski's agent to say he's better than Jones so deserves more money.
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Yeah, they kept him over Jones - hard to then not ay him more than what Jones got. "we like you better, but we're not paying you as much"
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07-29-2021, 10:19 PM
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#46
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Location: Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch Root
Yeah, they kept him over Jones - hard to then not ay him more than what Jones got. "we like you better, but we're not paying you as much"
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But Jones made it clear that he wasn't going to sign. So it wasn't necessarily a truism that they liked Werenski more, although that's certainly possible.
And after the exodus out of Columbus, from Panarin and Bobrovsky, to Jones, to Dubois, the Blue Jackets needed to keep someone. Werenski's agent clearly knew that.
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07-29-2021, 11:23 PM
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#47
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CBJ has never really had any bad contracts on the books that I can recall.
Now this and Voracek are higher AAVs, but not necessarily awful.
I don't this deal will ever be the thing that holds them back.
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07-29-2021, 11:40 PM
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[MOD EDIT] Gross.
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07-29-2021, 11:45 PM
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#49
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Originally Posted by dustygoon
[MOD EDIT] Gross.
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Um what
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07-30-2021, 12:03 AM
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#50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch Root
No, but short term deals don't go for way less cap hit any more.
Why would he take 3 years at $6M when these guys are getting $9.5M? He would need $11.5M for the next 5 years just to break even.
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McAvoy was 4.9m
Werenski was 5m
One of the agents they asked, anonymously answered, also said sergachev at 4.8m was a comparable Canucks could use
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
Yeah, look at Tkachuk. $7M for 3 years.
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The forwards on bridge deals pay has gone way up the last few years, but defensemen haven't
I think it's in hughes best interest to sign a short bridge anyway, if canucks are offering 3 years he should ask for 2. Then sign a longer term deal
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07-30-2021, 12:04 AM
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#51
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Jeezus, NHL GM's just can't help themselves.
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07-30-2021, 12:22 AM
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#52
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07-30-2021, 12:24 AM
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#53
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
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Yeah, I would expect a bridge deal, but it is going to be more like $7.5, as this person suggests, not $6.
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07-30-2021, 03:29 AM
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#54
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Originally Posted by Geeoff
I think Werenski is a great defenseman but that is one spicy contract.
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!00% worth the contract just to look him up and see his dirty stankin' dirt bag 'stache.
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07-30-2021, 05:59 AM
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Good deal for both sides. Werenski is gonna take another step.
Jarmo is doing really well with re-shaping this team. Columbus guys don't screw around; Dubois wants out? gone for two very good pieces. Jones not re-signing? trade him for a haul. Have money? sign your franchise D to a fair contract.
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07-30-2021, 07:55 AM
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#56
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Originally Posted by d_phaneuf
I think it's in hughes best interest to sign a short bridge anyway, if canucks are offering 3 years he should ask for 2. Then sign a longer term deal
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A lot of factors to consider, but IMO bridge makes more sense when you're on a good team and/or your upside exceeds your downside. I'm not sure either are the case for Hughes.
Obviously speculative numbers (and ignores things like escrow or SB), starting at age 21:
A. 8x9M; (age 29) then 7x8M takes you to 36 = $128M
a lot of risk that you'll still be worth the big deal in 8 years
B. 6x8M; (27) then 7x9M takes you to 34 = $111M
gets you to location control soonest
C. 3x7M; (24)then 8x10M gets you to age 32 = $101M
betting on yourself to get good contracts in your 30s, or you have to go shorter on you first "big" deal to open a better 2nd good UFA window (lots of risk). Though a 3rd year high QO could play out well
D. 2x6M; (23) then 5x9M; (28) then 7x8M takes you to 35 = $113M
a lot of variables, but also opportunities to adapt
Option B seems most appealing to me, but obviously everyone values things differently. Then again, I'm sure Point and Tkachuk have no regrets for taking option C
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07-30-2021, 08:08 AM
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damn onions
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Originally Posted by Da_Chief
Good deal for both sides. Werenski is gonna take another step.
Jarmo is doing really well with re-shaping this team. Columbus guys don't screw around; Dubois wants out? gone for two very good pieces. Jones not re-signing? trade him for a haul. Have money? sign your franchise D to a fair contract.
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That’s an opinion.
Mine is that this is encroaching on the worst contract in the NHL. If you were to list the best dmen, too 5, 10, hell… 20? Would this guy crack any of those lists? Because he’s being paid like it.
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07-30-2021, 08:16 AM
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#58
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Join Date: Mar 2020
Location: Dallas
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee
That’s an opinion.
Mine is that this is encroaching on the worst contract in the NHL. If you were to list the best dmen, too 5, 10, hell… 20? Would this guy crack any of those lists? Because he’s being paid like it.
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He can be top 10, maybe 5
One of the best young dmen but yeah this is at least 1M overpaid
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07-30-2021, 08:18 AM
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Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Who cares about the money? They have to pay someone.
I am happy for Blue Jacket fans. It would be been even more demoralizing to see someone else go.
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