Friedman: Flames have begun extension talks with Gaudreau & Eichel speculation

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

Blah blah blah… all the highlights in the world are meaningless right now. When he’s proven to be healthy enough to regain his form then let’s get on the bandwagon

That doesn't make any sense.

By the time he is healthy enough to play he will already be on a new roster. If that is not the Flames, then there is no reason to get excited. It it is the Flames, then the excitement will surely be impossible to contain well before hand.

If the Flames acquire Eichel it will be one of the biggest blockbuster trades in franchise history. Why not get excited about that? You are a fan—it makes no sense to me that you would intentionally quash your own excitement and enjoyment, which is the whole reason to follow the team in the first place, no?

[Bonded]

Who is a Flames prospect comparable to Krebs?

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Who is a Flames prospect comparable to Krebs?

Pelletier IMO.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Pelletier IMO.

Not sure what else would be headed from Vegas but if that is the comparable prospect I'll be gutted

[Monahammer]

1 of Pelletier/Zary/Coronato will have to be involved no doubt. I would let Buffalo have their pick if it tips the scales.

[Wood]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Not sure what else would be headed from Vegas but if that is the comparable prospect I'll be gutted

Vegas isn't in on Eichel anymore IMO. After reading for Dadanov they have no cap space

Russo has said that Minny is out, and with the Kings FA signings they also seem to be out of the running

At this point it's looking like the Ducks, Rangers and Flames are the most likely trade locations

[neo45]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Who is a Flames prospect comparable to Krebs?

Krebs is better than all our prospects

Zary is probably closest

[442scotty]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

That doesn't make any sense.

By the time he is healthy enough to play he will already be on a new roster. If that is not the Flames, then there is no reason to get excited. It it is the Flames, then the excitement will surely be impossible to contain well before hand.

If the Flames acquire Eichel it will be one of the biggest blockbuster trades in franchise history. Why not get excited about that? You are a fan—it makes no sense to me that you would intentionally quash your own excitement and enjoyment, which is the whole reason to follow the team in the first place, no?

Why would you trade for a guy when you have no idea what the outcome of his surgery will be. That batsh#t crazy. Don’t see any other teams falling over each other to get him.

[442scotty]

Anyway, I’m staying away from this thread…. Too crazy for me lol

[Wood]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

Anyway, I’m staying away from this thread…. Too crazy for me lol

It's fun, don't take it so seriously

Worst case scenario is what, it doesn't happen?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

Why would you trade for a guy when you have no idea what the outcome of his surgery will be. That batsh#t crazy. Don’t see any other teams falling over each other to get him.

What does this even mean?

We don't know anything about what is going on in trade negotiations for Eichel save for a very high asking price and a handful of rumoured teams in the bidding.

[Psytic]

Can they not build something in based on games played the pick downgrades or something to cover the injury risk. Has to be something creative they can do.

[Erick Estrada]

Surprised with all the Eichel talk and little Gaudreau talk. Seravalli a few minutes ago on 960 said that the Flames and Gaudreau have talked but nothing serious or close. I really thought something would have been done one way or another by now and I'm not exactly sure what the plan is here. I feel (or hope) they may get a deal done but I worry about the asset management here.

[slcrocket]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

Why would you trade for a guy when you have no idea what the outcome of his surgery will be. That batsh#t crazy. Don’t see any other teams falling over each other to get him.

Because. He might be able to regain his previous form. Yes, he might not. That's the risk.

No one is saying this wouldn't be a risk. I feel like many of you are more concerned with being able to come back and say "I told you it wouldn't work" than actually looking at this objectively.

There are two options being considered here if we get Eichel:

1) We trade mostly futures + Monahan to get a guy who MIGHT be able to regain his form post-surgery in which case we somehow keep this ####ing window propped open long enough to make a run at it.

2) We trade mostly futures + Monahan to get a guy who DOESN'T return to form post surgery, we stall out, and it delays our rebuild a few years as we gut this thing as we aren't really close right now.

That's pretty much it. It might work and chances at making a run are so few and far in between (especially in Calgary) that I think you go for it. But it's ####ing hockey, of course it might not work. But give me a shot at it at the possible cost of extending a rebuild in case it doesn't work as opposed to the mediocre death march we seem to be on right now.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

Why would you trade for a guy when you have no idea what the outcome of his surgery will be. That batsh#t crazy. Don’t see any other teams falling over each other to get him.

This is the thing that gets me. By delaying the surgery Eichel wants, and that any acquiring team will surely allow him to get, it suggests that the Sabres are not at all convinced that getting the surgery will increase his value. I assume they have reason to believe it may diminish his value and feel it is more prudent to trade him with the question marks instead.

If I am a team looking at acquiring him, I would have to default to the position that the Sabres have of their own player, and that is that the surgery will not increase his value and could potentially hurt it. Why would any team want to take the risk going the other way when the team that has had him for several years isn't even convinced. They won't even let other teams look at his medical records before making an offer.

Team should should make a "take it, or leave it" offer and give them 24 hours to accept, and then just move from it. Let Buffalo deal with a malcontent star with diminished abilities.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Surprised with all the Eichel talk and little Gaudreau talk. Seravalli a few minutes ago on 960 said that the Flames and Gaudreau have talked but nothing serious or close. I really thought something would have been done one way or another by now and I'm not exactly sure what the plan is here. I feel (or hope) they may get a deal done but I worry about the asset management here.

I feel like Treliving might be serious when he discusses doing one thing at a time. It is like they went from expansion to focus on the entry draft, to free agency, and will eventually get to UFA/RFA conversations.

I am encouraged by hearing Coleman is friends with Johnny and he called around to find out about the team and city. I feel like he would want a commitment that our best player was sticking around before he signed for 6 years because I believe he could of found the same contract elsewhere

[stemit14]

Something that complicates the trade is that Eichel’s recovery time could be the majority or even the entire season. This coming season, the flames could fit him into their cap while giving up Monahan + Dube. So this season would be a loaded flames team with Gaudreau, Eichel, Lindholm, tkachuk, mangiapane, Coleman, and backlund.

However, next year, Gaudreau (if re-signed) will get a raise, Tkachuk will get a raise, and Mangiapane will get a raise. All of a sudden, the team will have to make tough decisions over who gets to stay. On top of that, players like Pelletier/Zary will be gone in the eichel trade so they won’t be available to fill in a spot if you have to trade one or more of the top players to make eichel fit.

Just wish eichel was available this year to have a loaded team. The following seasons the cap will mean players are sacrificed to afford eichel.


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[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

Why would you trade for a guy when you have no idea what the outcome of his surgery will be. That batsh#t crazy. Don’t see any other teams falling over each other to get him.

That's a risk the team making the trade has to consider. Player's of this level, that play this position, at this age, and signed long term, simply do not come around on the market.

Perhaps I am short selling our prospect pool (which, in my mind, is made up of a lot mid/avg level prospects) but we don't have any prospects that have the trajectory of one day becoming a 1st or 2nd line C at the NHL level. Zary is probably the closest, but it's definitely not an automatic/assumption that he'll a) be a C at the next level, b) be dynamic enough to play as a top/2nd line role.

Even Pelletier, it's unclear to me if he's a 2nd line or 3rd line winger when it's all said and done.

Coronato appears the only forward prospect with true, top line potential, as a winger.

As such, getting a top line C in Eichel, if the cost is our 1st next year, one of the above, and one of our roster forwards, still feels like a no brainer to me.

I firmly believe we'd be better off rebuilding, but given that this will not be happening any time in the imminent future, I just don't see how we're worse off with taking a shot on Eichel. if we do nothing, the rebuild is one in 1-2 years max. If we land Eichel, and he doesn't turn out, we're basically at the same point, minus 1 ok prospect, and next year's 1st rounder, which will be in the teens anyways.

Rebuild -> Not happening
Frigin take a swing, get a potential top line C -> (see above)
Do nothing -> worst case scenario, as we will end up exactly the same as the past few years (no actual on ice success, middle of the pack team, drafting in the teens which is the worst spot to be).

the conservative/do-nothing-drastic approach is completely unacceptable to me as a fan.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Something that complicates the trade is that Eichel’s recovery time could be the majority or even the entire season. This coming season, the flames could fit him into their cap while giving up Monahan + Dube. So this season would be a loaded flames team with Gaudreau, Eichel, Lindholm, tkachuk, mangiapane, Coleman, and backlund.

However, next year, Gaudreau (if re-signed) will get a raise, Tkachuk will get a raise, and Mangiapane will get a raise. All of a sudden, the team will have to make tough decisions over who gets to stay. On top of that, players like Pelletier/Zary will be gone in the eichel trade so they won’t be available to fill in a spot if you have to trade one or more of the top players to make eichel fit.

Just wish eichel was available this year to have a loaded team. The following seasons the cap will mean players are sacrificed to afford eichel.


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He could also delay the surgery by a year and get it at the start of next season.

We could have our very own Kucherov!

[bzoo02]

https://twitter.com/HockeyyInsiderr/...824986633?s=19

I know it's Insiderr, but some info nonetheless.