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				So Johnny now has a 26 team NTC? 
			
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Yup. He holds the cards now, at 10 AM I believe.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			07-28-2021, 08:21 AM
			
			
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				So Johnny now has a 26 team NTC? 
			
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Kicks in at 10AM.
 
...or maybe at midnight EST last night? I'm not quite sure.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			07-28-2021, 08:22 AM
			
			
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				So Johnny now has a 26 team NTC? 
			
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10AM I believe it kicks in
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			07-28-2021, 08:22 AM
			
			
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				Mason Raymond 
A 3rd for Bolig  
Frolik though he had a good couple years first  
Neal was overpaid for what he brought  
Brouwer should never have been brought in at the money we paid him to be something he wasn’t  
 
It’s no secret his biggest issue has been what he does on UFA and apparently he still hasn’t figured it out in the 7 different attempts he’s had. Let see how he does this time around I guess but I’m not holding my breath. 
			
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The conversation is regarding UFA bottom rotation players. Someone made the comment that the cap space gained through Gio’s departure was going to be waisted on the lines of Gudbransdon and Thompson and Lewis.
 
I don’t consider Brouwer or Neal to fit the bottom rotation. Or at least that was not the intent. Either was Frolik, if anything, he was a very good UFA signing. Bolig was a trade and Raymond was a vet on a rebuilding team that prevented them from doing nothing they didn’t want to do otherwise. In other words, fairly insignificant, but people like to whine anyway, so here we are talking about UFA signings from 7 years ago. 
 
Signing a vet to low cost/low term contracts is something most teams do. They don’t always work out, like any nhl transaction, but the intention is not misguided. I know this is talking in hypothetical’s, but had the Flames signing Patrick Maroon two or three years ago, the avalanche of whining and complaining would have been something to behold.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			07-28-2021, 08:23 AM
			
			
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				I'm pretty sure they are going to sign Edler. 
			
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Ouch. The odds of him playing more than 60 games in a season are not good
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			07-28-2021, 08:25 AM
			
			
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Rittich in Nashville? Good for him.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			07-28-2021, 08:25 AM
			
			
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			Rittich news eh…
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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			07-28-2021, 08:26 AM
			
			
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Only one of those that's a bummer is McCabe, and even then, meh.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			07-28-2021, 08:28 AM
			
			
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			My guesses for CGY: 
 
Edler 
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Sceviour or Lewis 
 
They chase after Coleman and miss 
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			07-28-2021, 08:29 AM
			
			
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				The conversation is regarding UFA bottom rotation players. Someone made the comment that the cap space gained through Gio’s departure.  
 
I don’t consider Brouwer or Neal to fit the bottom rotation. Or at least that was not the intent. Either was Frolik, if anything, he was a very good UFA signing. Bologna was a trade and Raymond was a bet on a rebuilding team that prevented them from doing nothing they didn’t want to do otherwise. In other words, fairly insignificant, but people like to whine anyway, so here we are talking about UFA signings from 7 years ago.  
 
Signing a vet to low cost/low term contracts is something most teams do. They don’t always work out, like any nhl transaction, but the intention is not misguided. I know this is talking in hypothetical’s, but had the Flames signing Patrick Maroon two or three years ago, the avalanche of whining and complaining would have been something to behold. 
			
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Good for you that you don’t consider Brouwer or Neal bottom rotation players that’s what they were for the Flames and at top 6 dollars. Fact of the matter is that when Treliving paid them those dollars the risk was higher that they would become mid to bottom 6 players especially in the latter years of their contracts. Rather than ponying up the extra mill or two it would cost to get the sure thing. Bad contracts to aging vets who used to put up top 6 numbers is Trelivings trademark this time of year and it sounds like we are players to do it again with Coleman. You can try to defend Treliving and his UFA performance over the years but this is a results based league and he has next to no results to show for near 8 years of directing the ship so sue me for being disappointed I guess when I hear that we are going after the same blueprint that has netted us those no results in those 8 years.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
		
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			07-28-2021, 08:32 AM
			
			
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				Are there any dmen left to sign in free agency? Considering flames need a top 4 dman , Tre is going to have to make a trade for one. Considering some teams have already traded some dmen I’m not even sure what’s left available on the trade market? 
			
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Almost all gone. I’m not sure those counselling wait and see are familiar with the list of UFAs. Even the second-tier guys like McCabe are getting snapped up.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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				If this day gets you riled up, you obviously aren't numb to the disappointment yet to be a real fan. 
			
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			07-28-2021, 08:35 AM
			
			
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				Good for you that you don’t consider Brouwer or Neal bottom rotation players that’s what they were for the Flames and at top 6 dollars. Fact of the matter is that when Treliving paid them those dollars the risk was higher that they would become mid to bottom 6 players especially in the latter years of their contracts. Rather than ponying up the extra mill or two it would cost to get the sure thing. Bad contracts to aging vets who used to put up top 6 numbers is Trelivings trademark this time of year and it sounds like we are players to do it again with Coleman. You can try to defend Treliving and his UFA performance over the years but this is a results based league and he has next to no results to show for near 8 years of directing the ship so sue me for being disappointed I guess when I hear that we are going after the same blueprint that has netted us those no results in those 8 years. 
			
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Stay on topic. The discussion was about signing the likes of Gudbranson, Lewis, or Thompson. I don’t see the link to Brouwer or Neal whatsoever.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			07-28-2021, 08:39 AM
			
			
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			Maybe we can get PK Subban AND an additional asset from New Jersey for nothing?
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			07-28-2021, 08:46 AM
			
			
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				Maybe we can get PK Subban AND an additional asset from New Jersey for nothing? 
			
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They would need to eat a good chunk of that cap hit
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			07-28-2021, 08:48 AM
			
			
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			Blues want Saad, but also want to move Tarasenko first 
Jamie Rivers of 101 ESPN reported (on the air) the Blues could retain up to $2.5M for Tarasenko
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			07-28-2021, 08:48 AM
			
			
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			With Gio gone, would Hamilton entertain coming back or is that bridge burnt? I know he’d be expensive, but he is a stud and has only improved since he left.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			07-28-2021, 08:49 AM
			
			
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				Maybe we can get PK Subban AND an additional asset from New Jersey for nothing? 
			
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aren't we full on RHD?
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			07-28-2021, 08:50 AM
			
			
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				With Gio gone, would Hamilton entertain coming back or is that bridge burnt? I know he’d be expensive, but he is a stud and has only improved since he left. 
			
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I don't think there is a chance at all he would entertain joining the Flames. He basically was ridiculed out of this city.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			07-28-2021, 08:53 AM
			
			
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				Blues want Saad, but also want to move Tarasenko first 
Jamie Rivers of 101 ESPN reported (on the air) the Blues could retain up to $2.5M for Tarasenko 
			
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Given what has been said about Tarasenko and him being 100% for training camp I would love if we can grab him on the cheap. If he is healthy he would be a lock for 35-40 goals with Johnny feeding him.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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