2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I really like Lucic. I wish his cap hit wasn't as high, but I think we are a worse team without him.

If you take Lucic off the team and don't add anyone with the $5.25 million in cap savings, I agree the team is worse.

But if you add a better player using that cap space it's a net win.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I would be in for a Lucic-Zucker swap if the Flames can secure Ritchie. I have also heard Vegas is shopping Reaves

I thought I read somewhere that after nearly being traded to the Flames a couple years ago, Zucker altered his NTC to include the Flames.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

You are welcome

Basically you are just making useless guesses as usual

I understand you're relatively new, so I forgive you without you having to apologize. You're welcome.

But 90% of the discussions are guesses on what might happen, who might go where, why certain players are performing or why they aren't, etc. Apologies if my useless guess was not as oppressingly negative and mindless as your useless guesses, but there's room for both!

[Monahammer]

The lucic rumor is interesting. Penguins clearly must have felt like they weren't "tough" enough last year- is the league trending back towards the heavy grinding style after a few years of favoring slick skill?

I went and looked at capfriendly- imo no one would approach us about Lucic without a caveat. But I can't really see an awful contract that the Penguins would want to unload. Maybe Zucker? He had a bad year but way more upside than Looch. Different player fit entirely. NMC as well, but there was a link to the flames a few years ago.
The other candidate is Marcus Pettersson. But I am not sure the penguins see that as a bad value contract given they signed it just last year and he had a relatively similar season this year.

I would be interested in a Pettersson- Lucic swap if there weren't many other pieces from our side involved.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

If you take Lucic off the team and don't add anyone with the $5.25 million in cap savings, I agree the team is worse.

But if you add a better player using that cap space it's a net win.

I think the best way to extract value out of Lucic is to give him linemates who lack his skillset.

Lucic - Dube - Phillips as a line for example. Dube and Looch already have chemistry, and then you add Phillips speed, skill, hockey sense. Dube gets to play center where he should be far more comfortable than at RW. Phillips' percieved weaknesses in the corners are mitigated by Looch's strengths. If that helps guys like Dube and Phillips maximize their value on the ice, then Lucic is worth the aggregate cap hit.

[ForeverFlameFan]

If you get rid of Lucic and then sign N. Ritchie, you replace some toughness and get a player at a fraction of the cost.

Though, that must mean we’re taking some cap back. Rust with us adding? Dumoulin? Please not Pettersson or Matheson.

Edit: forgot about Zucker. May be in the minority but I’d rather have Lucic.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I thought I read somewhere that after nearly being traded to the Flames a couple years ago, Zucker altered his NTC to include the Flames.

I believe the Flames were trading for him before the clause kicked in that offseason and he made sure to put them on it. I wonder if he has soured on his time in Pitt? Seems like he is not in their plans if they protected Jeff Carter over him in expansion.

He might still want to block the Flames or would be happy to go where he is wanted?

[Toonage]

Pens need picks right? Maybe Lucic and a 2nd etc for Zucker? But yes, I believe the story of Zucker adding Calgary to his NTC is accurate. I don't know, feels flimsy

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Pens need picks right? Maybe Lucic and a 2nd etc for Zucker? But yes, I believe the story of Zucker adding Calgary to his NTC is accurate. I don't know, feels flimsy

Switch Zucker with Rust.

ETA: or Kapanen for less compensation.

[Monahammer]

No way we could get Kapanen from Lucic without a significant add (1st+). He cost a 1st just last year, and scored at a ~60 point pace this season. Lucic is a fine player for us but his contract still makes him a negative value overall.

Id prefer to play out Lucic than acquire Zucker for the length of the contract. Especially if we have to add significantly (i.e. a 2nd) for Zucker

[Barca]

Schmidt linked to Boston and NYI

Canucks interested in Shenn and Halak.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

No way we could get Kapanen from Lucic without a significant add (1st+). He cost a 1st just last year, and scored at a ~60 point pace this season. Lucic is a fine player for us but his contract still makes him a negative value overall.

Id prefer to play out Lucic than acquire Zucker for the length of the contract. Especially if we have to add significantly (i.e. a 2nd) for Zucker

Zucker and Lucic both have the same 2 years left at very similar cap hits. + 250k for Zucker

[868904]

Originally Posted by Barca

Schmidt linked to Boston and NYI

Canucks interested in Shenn and Halak.

I just don't see the appeal of Schmidt.

He's not a big defender, good skater though. But $6 million for 4 more years with a career high of 36 points and 15 points in 54 games last season. How did he get that contract from Vegas?

I mean TJ Brodie is a much better player and all he could get was $5 million as a UFA.

Ryan Murray had 14 points in 48 games last season, is younger, bigger than Schmidt, has a career high of 29 points and is a UFA. Equally good skater.

Why would any team trade for Schmidt when you can just sign Murray for maybe half that price?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

No way we could get Kapanen from Lucic without a significant add (1st+). He cost a 1st just last year, and scored at a ~60 point pace this season. Lucic is a fine player for us but his contract still makes him a negative value overall.

Id prefer to play out Lucic than acquire Zucker for the length of the contract. Especially if we have to add significantly (i.e. a 2nd) for Zucker

Except Kapanen is a one year contract and then an RFA with arb rights and teams seem to hate do deal with those. Treliving has a bit of history of obtaining pending RFAs.

When the Pens acquired him he had two pretty cheap years left. That said, I’ve not heard they are interested in moving him.

I suppose they could look at Jeff Carter. It’s too bad they have no LHD of interest.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Zucker is a 40-50 point player. Lucic is a 20-25 point player. Contracts expire at the same time. Of course you take Zucker.

[Barca]

Originally Posted by 868904

I just don't see the appeal of Schmidt.

He's not a big defender, good skater though. But $6 million for 4 more years with a career high of 36 points and 15 points in 54 games last season. How did he get that contract from Vegas?

I mean TJ Brodie is a much better player and all he could get was $5 million as a UFA.

Ryan Murray had 14 points in 48 games last season, is younger, bigger than Schmidt, has a career high of 29 points and is a UFA. Equally good skater.

Why would any team trade for Schmidt when you can just sign Murray for maybe half that price?

I don't know but I'm glad some teams still think highly of him lol

[MrMike]

Sounds like Ovechkin just signed a five-year

[Infinit47]

Flames should trade Lucic and retain $1,916,665, just to stick it to the Oilers. If we can't make the team better we may as well feel good about something.

[CMPunk]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1420067907741143041

Yikes...I was expecting a lower value and less years, but he is the face of the franchise and is still contributing

[dammage79]

4x5.8 for Buchnevich. That's rock solid and makes me more upset the Flames didn't get him.