Friedman: Flames have begun extension talks with Gaudreau & Eichel speculation

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Savvy27

I disagree. Gaudreau-Lindholm-Tkachuk is a first line.

Eichel would be an upgrade on Lindholm, but let's give that man some respect.


Literally none of those players are league wide second liners and this was after an awful season where the lines were a mess. I'll accept that they aren't elite first line players which is why I would be in favor of an Eichel acquisition, but they are firmly first line talent.

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Lindholm depending on where the Flames play him (wing or center). I would not classify him as a true #1c.

Gaudreau, 5 on 5 had a tough year. He is elite with power play, 3 on 3 etc.
However defensively he is sheltered.

They have depth at left wing, and depth at center but they require a 1st line center.

Obviously will add a couple dman in my opinion.

[Strange Brew]

I just don’t see the NTC as that big a deal. If you’re trading Gaudreau, does the other team see him as a rental or someone they can re-sign? If you’re looking to make a deal with him as a centerpiece, I would have expected that at the draft already when most deals take place. So that window has essentially passed and with UFA’s signing tomorrow, and if you’re just looking into moving him now, well shame on you for procrastinating. It’s not the NTC causing the problem at that point.

If he is moved at the deadline as a rental, which I’d say is the only remaining plausible trade scenario, how likely is it Gaudreau blocks a deal to a contender?

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I just don’t see the NTC as that big a deal. If you’re trading Gaudreau, does the other team see him as a rental or someone they can re-sign? If you’re looking to make a deal with him as a centerpiece, I would have expected that at the draft already when most deals take place. So that window has essentially passed and with UFA’s signing tomorrow, and if you’re just looking into moving him now, well shame on you for procrastinating. It’s not the NTC causing the problem at that point.

If he is moved at the deadline as a rental, which I’d say is the only remaining plausible trade scenario, how likely is it Gaudreau blocks a deal to a contender?

Its a huge deal, if the Flames believe they cannot sign him (no clue if that's the concern). Sounds like the Flames prefer to sign.

As they obviously would try to get the best package available.

No guarantee the listed 5 teams would offer a trade

[dammage79]

A 27 team NTC is a pretty powerful clause to just play nice with when the time comes.

It's important.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by dammage79

A 27 team NTC is a pretty powerful clause to just play nice with when the time comes.

It's important.

Which is why I suspect that if Gaudreau is not moved by tomorrow, then it is safe to assume that an extension is in the works, and will get done.

[LChoy]

Not too familiar with Buffalo honestly, but I thought they tried to surround Eichel last year with good players like Hall, Oposoo, Skinner..etc
Did it just not work out?

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Which is why I suspect that if Gaudreau is not moved by tomorrow, then it is safe to assume that an extension is in the works, and will get done.

I am definitely curious. What's Gaudreau's rush in signing? What's the incentive for him to not wait this out to next offseason before determining how he wants to handle things?

I can TOTALLY see the flames looking at the hope and dreams of 2 home playoff games this year, holding onto Gaudreau, and worse case scenario trying to dump him for whatever they can get at the deadline if they are out of the playoffs by at least 7 points (otherwise, they'll add more depth dmen with the hopes to get in, as always).

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

I am definitely curious. What's Gaudreau's rush in signing? What's the incentive for him to not wait this out to next offseason before determining how he wants to handle things?

I can TOTALLY see the flames looking at the hope and dreams of 2 home playoff games this year, holding onto Gaudreau, and worse case scenario trying to dump him for whatever they can get at the deadline if they are out of the playoffs by at least 7 points (otherwise, they'll add more depth dmen with the hopes to get in, as always).

I assume the incentive is that he wants to stay, which is what he's said.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

I am definitely curious. What's Gaudreau's rush in signing? What's the incentive for him to not wait this out to next offseason before determining how he wants to handle things?

I am guessing that he wants to stay in Calgary, and he believes in what Treliving is doing. I don't think there is any "rush"; it is simply what he wants, and getting it done this year makes sense for him. He has a life partner now, so I suspect having a multi-year plan in place well ahead of time is something (they) would prefer.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I assume the incentive is that he wants to stay, which is what he's said.

Agreed. however, even if that's the case, I think most people would absolutely be wanting to wait this out, to see what direction the org is in at the end of the season before determining one's long term future there.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

I am definitely curious. What's Gaudreau's rush in signing? What's the incentive for him to not wait this out to next offseason before determining how he wants to handle things?

I can TOTALLY see the flames looking at the hope and dreams of 2 home playoff games this year, holding onto Gaudreau, and worse case scenario trying to dump him for whatever they can get at the deadline if they are out of the playoffs by at least 7 points (otherwise, they'll add more depth dmen with the hopes to get in, as always).

I guess the incentive is to sign a big deal with the Flames that could disappear. Or be traded right now to a team he doesn’t like. Like in an Eichel deal.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Agreed. however, even if that's the case, I think most people would absolutely be wanting to wait this out, to see what direction the org is in at the end of the season before determining one's long term future there.

I don't think any one of us can accurately guess what "most people" would want in this situation. Everyone is different.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

I am definitely curious. What's Gaudreau's rush in signing? What's the incentive for him to not wait this out to next offseason before determining how he wants to handle things?

Imagine this:

singlyhandedly shutting Eric Francis up

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Agreed. however, even if that's the case, I think most people would absolutely be wanting to wait this out, to see what direction the org is in at the end of the season before determining one's long term future there.

I can see that if someone weren't sure, but not if they've made up their mind.

If he's already decided he wants to stay, likes the team, likes the fit, etc. then there is really no reason to wait the year.

If he believes in the team today and wants to stay, he's not waiting a year (where he might be traded) to confirm that feeling.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by dammage79

A 27 team NTC is a pretty powerful clause to just play nice with when the time comes.

It's important.

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Which is why I suspect that if Gaudreau is not moved by tomorrow, then it is safe to assume that an extension is in the works, and will get done.

Completely agree with Text on this one. If the deadline passes I suspect that means an agreement is all but done. I would hope Treliving would not allow this to slide and not have something concrete all but completed.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Imagine this:

singlyhandedly shutting Eric Francis up

In the end, it was just Eric Francis’ master plan to get Gaudreau to sign. Berate and question Johnny’s character for a couple years. Causing Johnny to sign out of spite.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Completely agree with Text on this one. If the deadline passes I suspect that means an agreement is all but done. I would hope Treliving would not allow this to slide and not have something concrete all but completed.

Confidence in management is pretty low right now. One would hope they do but I'm not so sure. There's no certainty on either side of the equation.

[stemit14]

Would love for Gaudreau to sign long term and even be named as an assistant captain. His signing will show a commitment to the team and the city. Even if he is not a big voice in the room the players look to him to be the guy to make a big play when the team needs one.


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[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

In the end, it was just Eric Francis’ master plan to get Gaudreau to sign. Berate and question Johnny’s character for a couple years. Causing Johnny to sign out of spite.

That is probably how he will spin it in the media lol.

[Vinny01]

Gaudreau signing and Eichel getting acquired would be 2 great examples that Francis is completely out of touch. He has been beating the drum Johnny wants out for years and has been calling the Eichel trade a pipe dream